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Apple to skip high-end M6 Mac chips in favor of AI-focused M7 line

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Re: Apple to skip high-end M6 Mac chips in favor of AI-focused M7 line

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Indeed. If Apple makes it feasible to run models like GLM 5.2 at home, I will become their customer.

you're not a customer of any of their products at all already? not a single apple device in your household?

Not. A. Single. One.

Re: Apple to skip high-end M6 Mac chips in favor of AI-focused M7 line

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Everyone seems to miss it but the article also says that M5 Ultra Mac Studio is coming out later this year. Yay! I wonder how much the rumored 768GB RAM version will cost.

I am waiting till apple copies the "allocation" concept from high end car manufacturers. "Sure, buy the 25 iphones ans we will gladly put you on the waitlist."

Re: Apple to skip high-end M6 Mac chips in favor of AI-focused M7 line

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Apple is actually interesting. They are one of the few companies with a chip / PC play with real power AND basically no play I'm the hyperscalar market. That means they're actually incentivized at least short term, to benefit PCs becoming strong enough to do local LLMs. Which makes this play make even more sense. Though, I've been saying for a while that the local AI inflectiom point is the death knell for these fron…

Indeed. If Apple makes it feasible to run models like GLM 5.2 at home, I will become their customer.

It's plausible but is the Apple Tax for a 1TB memory machine on top of current memory prices really worth it? I paid around $4000 for 4090m laptop with 16GB VRAM back in 2023, it's great but DoA for even quantized LLMs. I can run SLMs and fine tune it but that's it.

We need one of those specialized inference chip startups to succeed and a PC manufacturer willing to bet on them against Nvidia for the local AI to find mass market appeal.

Re: Apple to skip high-end M6 Mac chips in favor of AI-focused M7 line

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you're not a customer of any of their products at all already? not a single apple device in your household?

Some folks like to have a computing environment free of proprietary influences and extremely strong vendor lock-in. I cannot claim to posses any apple devices.

How does the Mac have extremely strong vendor lock-in?

Sure, you can use the App Store and use all the stuff that integrates with iPhone, iCloud, etc

But you can also just treat it as Linux for Laptops (that actually works), and roll with all the standard open source tools.

Re: Apple to skip high-end M6 Mac chips in favor of AI-focused M7 line

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post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Indeed. If Apple makes it feasible to run models like GLM 5.2 at home, I will become their customer.

you're not a customer of any of their products at all already? not a single apple device in your household?

Correct. Been using Linux and Android for over ten years. My household had no Apple devices until I got married.

Re: Apple to skip high-end M6 Mac chips in favor of AI-focused M7 line

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Well, I guess this is the silver lining to the price increases. I'd been thinking about an M5 128GB for local inference (eg DS4), probably off the table now given that it jumped $2k overnight. But I was on the fence about it for a long time given that even the M5 is not that good compared to even a 4090. It would have been good, but not "omg" good.

If they are pulling out all the stops to make the M7 more competitive.. guess I can wait for that?

Re: Apple to skip high-end M6 Mac chips in favor of AI-focused M7 line

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post #89

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Indeed. If Apple makes it feasible to run models like GLM 5.2 at home, I will become their customer.

you're not a customer of any of their products at all already? not a single apple device in your household?

No, I've never owned an Apple device in my life, neither has anyone in my family to my knowledge.

Re: Apple to skip high-end M6 Mac chips in favor of AI-focused M7 line

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post #89

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Indeed. If Apple makes it feasible to run models like GLM 5.2 at home, I will become their customer.

you're not a customer of any of their products at all already? not a single apple device in your household?

I didn't have a single Apple device in my house until a month ago when I bought a Neo. The last Apple devices I had before that were an iPod Nano and a PowerMac G5 many many years ago.

Apple has pretty good competition in every segment with the exception of maybe the iPad, but I'm not a tablet user.

Re: Apple to skip high-end M6 Mac chips in favor of AI-focused M7 line

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Some folks like to have a computing environment free of proprietary influences and extremely strong vendor lock-in. I cannot claim to posses any apple devices.

How does the Mac have extremely strong vendor lock-in? Sure, you can use the App Store and use all the stuff that integrates with iPhone, iCloud, etc But you can also just treat it as Linux for Laptops (that actually works), and roll with all the standard open source tools.

I don't disagree with you, but technically speaking MacOS is still proprietary and Asahi is not compatible with the latest and greatest Apple devices.

While they don't _prevent_ Asahi from doing what they're doing, they certainly don't go out of their way to make it easy for them.

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