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Political bias in AI: Where the AI models stand

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Re: Political bias in AI: Where the AI models stand

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Post by IgorPartola »

A while ago I asked Claude to present to me the best versions of the conservative and liberal pitches for how to run the country. It was quite instructive and thought provoking. It made a solid distinction between what the theoretical best argument is and why vs what current politicians who strongly identify with these camps present.

I have similarly asked it to give me the philosophies of different Christian denominations (Catholic, Orthodox, Evangelical, etc). And it’s also pretty great at helping me explore LotR lore since I am too impatient to read all the letters and such.

Re: Political bias in AI: Where the AI models stand

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Post by foco_tubi »

zmgsabst wrote: post #170
mjamesaustin wrote: post #168

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you don't cherry pick and instead look at statistics, political violence in the US is dominated by right-wing extremists. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_violence_in_the_Unit...

I was responding to specific examples to show how they’re not similar at all. The modern post Jan 6/BLM claim that rightwing violence is more prevalent is precisely the propaganda Mr Musk was referring to — and has been debunked many times. That’s nothing but junk social statistics by an ideologue, as are many social science papers these days. Historical violence isn’t so clear, eg, the 1970s would be the era of left…

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Re: Political bias in AI: Where the AI models stand

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Post by avarun »

slg wrote: post #140
logicchains wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>assets capture by tiny percent of the population Those asserts were _created_ by a tiny percent of the population; if they hadn't been allowed to create those assets then they wouldn't exist. Europe is an example of that: it has only 2 companies in the Fortune 500 (500 biggest companies) that were created in the past 20 years, i.e. essentially no tech industry there. Because the policies there make entrepreneurship…

And is life in Europe actually worse than the US as a result? Capitalism has convinced people to think that the end goal of life is creating value. Maybe that isn't the thing society should be optimizing for.

Yes. It is, significantly. More people die every year of heat waves in Europe than gun deaths in the US, and it's not even close. Youth unemployment in many European countries is egregiously high, leading to a sense of malaise and nihilism among the youth. The welfare state is collapsing in on itself and residents are taking that anger out on immigrants across the continent, leading to regressive policies being passed.

The EU is extremely close to entering its own Japan-like "lost decades" if nothing changes very soon.

Re: Political bias in AI: Where the AI models stand

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Post by yodsanklai »

giancarlostoro wrote: post #8

The political compass always felt like the wrong tool to convey something as nuanced as personal politics, I can have views on all four quadrants but you'd never know that if I end up in any of all four. I do think Grok being where it is sort of makes sense, I've tested "MAGA" views against Grok, it does not agree as much as people blindly assume it does, heck I don't even know of a question I've given it where it di…

> can have views on all four quadrants but you'd never know that if I end up in any of all four

Curious of examples of views falling on all four quadrants (not close to the center) without too much cognitive dissonance.

Re: Political bias in AI: Where the AI models stand

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Post by llm_nerd »

Cakez0r wrote: post #155

The overall chart on their page seems politically biased, or at the very least a chart crime. The logos have faint grey lines pointing to their actual data points, conspicuously making Grok look very far right. You wouldn't know it from glancing at the chart, but they measured Chatgpt being further to the left than Grok is to the right.

Are you on a client that is rendering it poorly or something? A small screen?

ChatGPT is very clearly further to the left of center than Grok is to the right of center.

If your device has a tiny screen it offsets things for space -- like Claude gets pushed down because a number of models are crowded together.

Re: Political bias in AI: Where the AI models stand

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Post by amarant »

Cakez0r wrote: post #155

The overall chart on their page seems politically biased, or at the very least a chart crime. The logos have faint grey lines pointing to their actual data points, conspicuously making Grok look very far right. You wouldn't know it from glancing at the chart, but they measured Chatgpt being further to the left than Grok is to the right.

Holy shit you're right! I hadn't noticed! Where even is Geminis actual point? Dead center? I thought it was super authoritarian at first and was kinda surprised... But that line, at least on my phone, is completely invisible!

Re: Political bias in AI: Where the AI models stand

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Post by delusional »

avarun wrote: post #187
giancarlostoro wrote: post #8

The political compass always felt like the wrong tool to convey something as nuanced as personal politics, I can have views on all four quadrants but you'd never know that if I end up in any of all four. I do think Grok being where it is sort of makes sense, I've tested "MAGA" views against Grok, it does not agree as much as people blindly assume it does, heck I don't even know of a question I've given it where it di…

I'm not sure what charts you guys are looking at, but this website clearly agrees that Grok is not right wing. Go look at the Worldview tab, filtering by United States. Each model is assigned a "closest party" by country, and for the US all 6 models are closest to the Democratic Party.

Sure, mecha Hitler is aligned with the democratic party. I'm sure there's nothing wrong with that data.

Re: Political bias in AI: Where the AI models stand

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Post by patrickmay »

bee_rider wrote: post #154
giancarlostoro wrote: post #8

The political compass always felt like the wrong tool to convey something as nuanced as personal politics, I can have views on all four quadrants but you'd never know that if I end up in any of all four. I do think Grok being where it is sort of makes sense, I've tested "MAGA" views against Grok, it does not agree as much as people blindly assume it does, heck I don't even know of a question I've given it where it di…

The space (if it really is useful to think of as a space) of political opinions seems like it is probably many, many dimensional. The 1D thing is an obvious over-simplification, but the 2D compass seems to be a not-obvious-simplification which is… much worse.

I find the Nolan Chart (https://www.theadvocates.org/political-type-comparison/) to be a better version of the 2D compass. You're absolutely right that more dimensions would be better, but finding the right orthogonal ones is difficult.

The Nolan Chart is superior to the simplistic left vs right of U.S. political discourse in part because it shows there is more variation than the major parties would like everyone to think.

Re: Political bias in AI: Where the AI models stand

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Post by etchalon »

rootusrootus wrote: post #190
etchalon wrote: post #160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In what industry is Tesla #1 in?

If you consider that they only make two models, and only electric, their relative performance relative to the rest of the automotive market is impressive.

Right. But that's not #1. It's a popular niche.

Re: Political bias in AI: Where the AI models stand

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Post by patrickmay »

samat wrote: post #22

Real politics is 1% versus everyone. Mortgage crisis, financial bailout, inflation, taxing of labor and not the assets and assets capture by tiny percent of the population — see what MSM is pushing. This left vs right divide might been useful decades ago, but today is absolutely divide and control tactics

"The real division is not between conservatives and revolutionaries but between authoritarians and libertarians." -- George Orwell
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