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An entire Herculaneum scroll has been read for the first time

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Re: An entire Herculaneum scroll has been read for the first time

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>technology that build the pyramids You mean ropes and carts?

The stones were cut with enormous precision, at least relative to what we know about the available cutting tools. You cannot still stick a knife between a lot of these stones. Maybe we will learn more about that.

So they were polished? We already know how to do it.

Re: An entire Herculaneum scroll has been read for the first time

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I am on the vesuvius challenge team that did the segmentation, unwrapping, and ink detection, so feel free to ask any questions.

How fast is the process?

Could it be automated to the point where it's faster to scan a book closed than opened?

Re: An entire Herculaneum scroll has been read for the first time

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I am on the vesuvius challenge team that did the segmentation, unwrapping, and ink detection, so feel free to ask any questions.

What are the wildest, most exciting but plausible things that might be discovered in these documents?

Aristotle's second book of Poetics, of course.

Re: An entire Herculaneum scroll has been read for the first time

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30 scrolls, maybe? Something like that. I scanned Pherc Paris 4 and Pherc Paris 3 at Beam line 18 at ESRF back in March. The team did "the campfire scroll" experiment a few years ago to replicate carbonization, unrolling, and ink detection. That is the only case I am aware of. It proved the method could work but it's not a source of say training data; it varies too much from the real scrolls. The main limitation is t…

You had to pay? I understand the machine cost many hundreds of millions of dollars, but I would have thought for academic researchers doing open science, the beamtime is free (funded by the govt / science trusts).

The beam time is unfortunately not free. I scanned Pherc Paris 4 and Pherc Paris 3 in March and had the final shift on the beam. As I was removing the scroll from the scanning pedestal the next team of scientists were already in the lab getting their samples ready. It's a well oiled machine and they've got customers.

Re: An entire Herculaneum scroll has been read for the first time

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I wonder what the parellel would be 2,000 years for now: A Post-Great Solar Flare of 2484 Step Brothers DVD Has Been Decoded

We have successfully uncorrupted audiovisual media of what we believe to be an oral retelling of the long lost ending to Chekhov‘s “The Three Sisters.” It turns out the light was on.

Is this a very obscure Norm Macdonald reference?

Re: An entire Herculaneum scroll has been read for the first time

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Probably a lot more texts of Epicurean philosophy and not a whole lot else unfortunately according to my papyrologist friend.

Why would Epicurean philosophy be unfortunate? I was under the impression that there was almost nothing left of that school of thought, and that it’s writings had been destroyed. What would you like to have instead?

> What would you like to have instead?

History! That's what intrigues me the most: texts with accounts of events that have otherwise vanished from the historical record.

Re: An entire Herculaneum scroll has been read for the first time

#127

I am on the vesuvius challenge team that did the segmentation, unwrapping, and ink detection, so feel free to ask any questions.

Massive kudos to the whole team. I've been waiting 30 years for this announcement, ever since I first heard about the scrolls. Fantastic work!

Re: An entire Herculaneum scroll has been read for the first time

#129

I wonder what the parellel would be 2,000 years for now: A Post-Great Solar Flare of 2484 Step Brothers DVD Has Been Decoded

As I understand it, Pompeii was basically a city of vice and hendoism. Most of the scroll text so far seems to be the ancient version of porn fanfic. So things really never change.

Re: An entire Herculaneum scroll has been read for the first time

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

30 scrolls, maybe? Something like that. I scanned Pherc Paris 4 and Pherc Paris 3 at Beam line 18 at ESRF back in March. The team did "the campfire scroll" experiment a few years ago to replicate carbonization, unrolling, and ink detection. That is the only case I am aware of. It proved the method could work but it's not a source of say training data; it varies too much from the real scrolls. The main limitation is t…

You had to pay? I understand the machine cost many hundreds of millions of dollars, but I would have thought for academic researchers doing open science, the beamtime is free (funded by the govt / science trusts).

The way these things normally work is that the project starts with some sort of a grant. Then that grant pays for all of the costs of the project: peoples' salary, materials used, time on equipment, plus money for the buildings and administration (overhead).

In this case the time on the equipment would need to be included, both a portion of the cost of building/maintaining it, and probably the energy needed to run it. Even where the government is providing the grant (likely here), it still needs to be accounted for.

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