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Ford AI hiccups push carmaker to rehire ‘gray beard’ inspectors

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Re: Ford AI hiccups push carmaker to rehire ‘gray beard’ inspectors

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Post by jghn »

mikepurvis wrote: post #84
yifanl wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If they gave the engineers appropriate severance packages, then they're at least out that much as a stupidity tax, but that's probably the most we can expect as far as consequences for the exec suite.

Presumably they're also out the top 10-20% of talent which immediately found jobs elsewhere and would have little interest in returning to Ford to work under such incompetent management.

Or, if they're anything like me, even if I hadn't yet moved along they'd find that for them my price has gone up in the interim time period.

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Post by teiferer »

bigstrat2003 wrote: post #65
contravariant wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If compliance was the main issue we wouldn't have had to invent ways for computers to do something other than exactly what they were asked.

We didn't have to do that. It is, in fact, extremely stupid that we have done that. Computers are valuable because they are fast and deterministic . Fast but stochastic has no value.

> Fast but stochastic has no value.

He valuations of a bunch of AI unicorns disagree.

Re: Ford AI hiccups push carmaker to rehire ‘gray beard’ inspectors

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Post by dgellow »

simianwords wrote: post #104
disgruntledphd2 wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's so weird. I don't know what it is about AI that causes people to throw all thought and caution to the wind and charge forward blind. Its like they've been chomping at the bit for decades to get rid of those pesky humans and are so hyped up over it they can't see clearly anymore. It's just a hype cycle. In my 15 years in data, I've seen around 3-4. Every time leadership get way too invested in the possibilities…

I think you are misleading people by calling it a "hype cycle". There is no going back from this technology. It is going to encroach every part of lives more and more. What does hype even mean concretely? I think this is just a coping mechanism if you ask me.

Hype cycle doesn’t imply the technology has no value. But we should be able to talk about it as the boring, nerdy technology it is without that whole doom trolling and “AI will literally solve everything”

Re: Ford AI hiccups push carmaker to rehire ‘gray beard’ inspectors

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Post by thewebguyd »

calgoo wrote: post #95
mikepurvis wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Presumably they're also out the top 10-20% of talent which immediately found jobs elsewhere and would have little interest in returning to Ford to work under such incompetent management.

They could always be hired as contractors at x5 the cost for a fixed contract over 2 years to train the ai.

Wouldn't be a bad deal tbh depending on age and how much you have already for financial independence in retirement.

If my employer offered me a deal that would allow me to retire early, comfortably, to train my AI replacement, I'd take it. If they succeed, well I'd have gotten laid off anyway. If they fail, I get to laugh all the way to the bank with my newly found free time.

Re: Ford AI hiccups push carmaker to rehire ‘gray beard’ inspectors

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Post by lenerdenator »

khriss wrote: post #57

Interestingly, there were no consequences for the execs that made this 'mistake'. There seems to be almost unlimited cover for execs cargo culting on using AI as a pretext for layoffs. If it doesn't implode almost immediately, they get massive bonuses, if it blows up in their face, oh well they had the courage to 'take a bold strategic decision' In other words, they don't really have a plan, but they are happy playin…

The saying used to be "with great risk comes great reward".

Risk is inconvenient to shareholders, who also happen to be the people with the most political power in the US. They're:

1) retirees living off a pension/retirement fund backed by shares of companies like Ford

2) investors who have plenty of money to ~~bribe~~ donate to political campaigns or

3) C-suiters put in place by the other two groups who are compensated primarily in shares.

These groups are all incentivized to see the risk to their income streams minimized as much as possible. Show me the incentives, and I'll show you the outcomes.

Thus, we got rid of the risk.

Re: Ford AI hiccups push carmaker to rehire ‘gray beard’ inspectors

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Post by WarmWash »

Ford has hired 350 engineers over the last 3 years which happened alongside short comings in using AI inspection tooling.

This has nothing to do with LLMs and instead is almost certainly about their MAIVIS and AiTriz pilots, which use old school CNNs on custom IBM hardware to do visual inspections.

Re: Ford AI hiccups push carmaker to rehire ‘gray beard’ inspectors

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Post by greenavocado »

thewebguyd wrote: post #49
gm678 wrote: post #20

> Mistakenly we thought that by just introducing artificial intelligence and ingesting the design requirements that we had, that that would produce a high-quality product. Clearly a lot of careful thought went into their strategy of using AI and firing engineers.

This idea is everywhere right now, that AI is some magic black box that will solve all your business problems. The sentiment is spreading through the exec team where I work now too. It's like a disease. C-suites completely disconnected from reality and assuming we've already achieved ASI/AGI, and marketing teams & business journals are only furthering that narrative. It's so weird. I don't know what it is about AI th…

> I don't know what it is about AI that causes people to throw all thought and caution to the wind and charge forward blind.

1. Zero personal risk because cargo culting is a valid excuse in Executive World. If investors are on board, its good, no matter how stupid or destructive it actually is.

2. Top leadership's friendship with the country's leadership equals access to cheap debt financing since money is all fake and generated out of thin air

3. Too big to fail

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Post by nekusar »

cyanydeez wrote: post #63
khriss wrote: post #57

Interestingly, there were no consequences for the execs that made this 'mistake'. There seems to be almost unlimited cover for execs cargo culting on using AI as a pretext for layoffs. If it doesn't implode almost immediately, they get massive bonuses, if it blows up in their face, oh well they had the courage to 'take a bold strategic decision' In other words, they don't really have a plan, but they are happy playin…

corporatism is on equal footing with prosperity gospel.

Yep.

I'm prosperous because god/market deems me worthy.

Re: Ford AI hiccups push carmaker to rehire ‘gray beard’ inspectors

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Post by draginol »

This is what we are finding a lot with the "AI normies". Because the AI responses are so confident new users of it think it must be correct.

AI is confidently wrong a lot. And so you can imagine a lot of execs thinking the AI can do a lot more than it really can.

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Post by nosioptar »

SoftTalker wrote: post #110
nosioptar wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I had a nickel for every broken focus door handle I've fixed... (There's a weak pin that always breaks.)

LOL yeah I had that too. Forgot about it. Cheap fix was an aftermarket door handle from Amazon or RockAuto or someplace like that. I'm not saying it was a perfect car. The interior was cheap, the sheet metal seemed to be recycled tin cans, and it definitely showed its age by the time I got rid of it. But that engine and drivetrain seemed to be bulletproof.

Yeah, the engine and drivetrains are immortal, everything else is constantly dying though.
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