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Political bias in AI: Where the AI models stand

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Re: Political bias in AI: Where the AI models stand

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Post by u8080 »

maelito wrote: post #16

Wait what ? Emmanuel Macron far more right than Xi Jinping ? And even more than Barack Obama ? France has an incomparable social security ; environmental laws ; worker protection ; way less economic inequality ; freedom of speech and civil liberties are impossible to compare with China ; etc Of course this is not exhaustive, of course Macron did try to hinder some of those rights, but come on, there's something wrong…

This is very strange ranking where Putin is "right" compared to Obama - while Russia has universal healthcare and education with huge government involvement into economy.

Re: Political bias in AI: Where the AI models stand

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Post by thrance »

samat wrote: post #22

Real politics is 1% versus everyone. Mortgage crisis, financial bailout, inflation, taxing of labor and not the assets and assets capture by tiny percent of the population — see what MSM is pushing. This left vs right divide might been useful decades ago, but today is absolutely divide and control tactics

Yeah, you're just describing class warfare. That's a left-wing idea.

Re: Political bias in AI: Where the AI models stand

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Post by giancarlostoro »

ceejayoz wrote: post #47
giancarlostoro wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's harder than you'd imagine. Hell, my CLAUDE.md says not to push changes without asking me, and it still tries. Is it a system memory? Because I rarely if ever have issues like this, and I have Claude under strict rules to never commit or push anything unless I explicitly instruct it to do so. > They tried that, several times. Tried what exactly? Telling it to only agree with MAGA via the system prompt? or some…

> Is it a system memory? As I said, it's in my CLAUDE.md. That just gets progressively lost when context gets larger. > Tried what exactly? To make it align more with Musk's beliefs via the prompt. (The answer to your question is literally in my post; I quoted the parent poster's "all they would have to do is add a one liner to the system prompt for Grok")

> As I said, it's in my CLAUDE.md. That just gets progressively lost when context gets larger.

I rarely have this problem, but you could do a /loop every 30 minutes or so to have Claude reread the CLAUDE.md file might do the trick? or however long it 'forgets' I believe there's an MCP for "after" it finishes a task or compacts too, but I don't recall the name.

Re: Political bias in AI: Where the AI models stand

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Post by surement »

Tepix wrote: post #36
surement wrote: post #32

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Do you feel they agree on many topics?

They agree on immigration, both illegal (border security) and skilled (H1B). They agree on trade policy and tariffs. They agree on public stakes in AI and semiconductor companies. They used to agree on foreign intervention, though Trump 47 less so.

Re: Political bias in AI: Where the AI models stand

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Post by ceejayoz »

giancarlostoro wrote: post #54
ceejayoz wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Is it a system memory? As I said, it's in my CLAUDE.md. That just gets progressively lost when context gets larger. > Tried what exactly? To make it align more with Musk's beliefs via the prompt. (The answer to your question is literally in my post; I quoted the parent poster's "all they would have to do is add a one liner to the system prompt for Grok")

> As I said, it's in my CLAUDE.md. That just gets progressively lost when context gets larger. I rarely have this problem, but you could do a /loop every 30 minutes or so to have Claude reread the CLAUDE.md file might do the trick? or however long it 'forgets' I believe there's an MCP for "after" it finishes a task or compacts too, but I don't recall the name.

Sure, I could. (I have a fairly complex workflow with subagents at this point, which helps reduce it; I mainly get bitten by it when I go back to a direct `claude` CLI prompt for something.)

But that solves "my LLM is doing things I don't want it to do". It doesn't solve "Grok's owner wants it forced into agreeing with him" scenarios.

Re: Political bias in AI: Where the AI models stand

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Post by MarkusQ »

boxed wrote: post #46
Tepix wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you feel they agree on many topics?

They are both populists with a somewhat tenuous connection to reality?

They also both say far more random shit than their fan clubs are willing to admit. Amusingly, you can often find cases where they've voiced the same or very similar opinions (though at different times).

Re: Political bias in AI: Where the AI models stand

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Post by godshatter »

Why are there differences at all? Unplanned differences based on training data sets? Or are the companies behind the LLMs trying to shape discourse through their models?

I've been pushing the idea to people I know that these things are captive demons. You summon them when you start typing in the chat box. One instance appears out of the depths and responds to your questions, but they will try to send you awry with hallucinations and just wrong information. After a while, they dissolve back into the aether from whence they came.

I do my best not to ask an LLM for it's opinion on anything. Just tell me what the options are, and what facts can be found about it. Treat it like it's a salesman trying to butter you up when it starts "yes man"ing you and telling you how great your questions are. Every time it says "I", remember that that's coming from the training data. Treating these things like they have any actual intelligence is a big problem waiting to happen.

That being said, they have been very helpful to me using that structure.

Re: Political bias in AI: Where the AI models stand

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Post by atty »

thrance wrote: post #50
giancarlostoro wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If they really wanted to, all they would have to do is add a one liner to the system prompt for Grok. I don't think they have any interest in doing so, nor is there any value in it. On another note, I'm impressed that Gemini sits where it does as a true centrist. If I were Elon, I'd be trying to achieve that for sure. I'd rather a model tell me everything it knows about a current political situation from BOTH perspec…

I don't want my models to be "centrists" and bothside everything for the sake of it. I want them to provide the facts and tell me which side is right on the issue.

Factuality is orthogonal to political leaning generally. People can use the same set of facts and come to very different conclusions. That’s a separate issue from “are these facts correct” and what happens when an individual or entire party starts getting most of their news from highly partisan and unreliable sources.
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