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Political bias in AI: Where the AI models stand

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Re: Political bias in AI: Where the AI models stand

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Post by c0n5pir4cy »

maelito wrote: post #16

Wait what ? Emmanuel Macron far more right than Xi Jinping ? And even more than Barack Obama ? France has an incomparable social security ; environmental laws ; worker protection ; way less economic inequality ; freedom of speech and civil liberties are impossible to compare with China ; etc Of course this is not exhaustive, of course Macron did try to hinder some of those rights, but come on, there's something wrong…

I mean yes - I think you are also confusing the axes of the political compass somewhat. Freedom of Speech, civil liberties etc are the Y-Axis - here Xi leans authoritarian.

China actually has some pretty radical left economics policies - like pushing money/resources etc towards state owned entities.

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Post by MarkusQ »

tomrod wrote: post #15
summarybot wrote: post #10

Authoritarian versus Libertarian? Really?

Substitute 'Communitarian' and 'Classical Liberal' if you find the common political compass terms too charged.

Since when are Socialists considered Classical Liberals?

It's not that the labels are charged, it's that they are nonsensical unless you look at them from a very narrow bespoke perspective, where "things I like" go on one side and "bad things" go on the other. Objectively (or even from any other biased perspective), it's rubbish.

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Post by surement »

ceejayoz wrote: post #26
giancarlostoro wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If they really wanted to, all they would have to do is add a one liner to the system prompt for Grok. I don't think they have any interest in doing so, nor is there any value in it. On another note, I'm impressed that Gemini sits where it does as a true centrist. If I were Elon, I'd be trying to achieve that for sure. I'd rather a model tell me everything it knows about a current political situation from BOTH perspec…

> If they really wanted to, all they would have to do is add a one liner to the system prompt for Grok. They tried that, several times. Mechahitler: https://www.npr.org/2025/07/09/nx-s1-5462609/grok-elon-musk-... > "We have improved @Grok significantly," Elon Musk wrote on X last Friday about his platform's integrated artificial intelligence chatbot. "You should notice a difference when you ask Grok questions." > Ind…

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Re: Political bias in AI: Where the AI models stand

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Post by lstodd »

maelito wrote: post #16

Wait what ? Emmanuel Macron far more right than Xi Jinping ? And even more than Barack Obama ? France has an incomparable social security ; environmental laws ; worker protection ; way less economic inequality ; freedom of speech and civil liberties are impossible to compare with China ; etc Of course this is not exhaustive, of course Macron did try to hinder some of those rights, but come on, there's something wrong…

No opinion on Macron's rightness (I think he's so weak as to be unable to have a position, but that's neither here nor there).

I think you misattribute, everything you cited was there before him and he had no leverage to change any of it. EU is left, FR is very left, and anyone elected president in FR can't do shit.

Now, if you task an LLM to skim hot news you'll get a distorted rendition of a projected image which has zero to do with actual policy.

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Post by vrganj »

This wrongly assumes a few things about ideology, most importantly that there is such a thing as a "center" or an "unbiased" position.

Since humans are inherently subjective beings and all our judgements come from our understanding of the world, such a position cannot exist. It's always "unbiased" from where the viewer is looking, e.g. a reflection of the ideology of the observer. There is no view from nowhere.

The "neutral" of an average Chinese person will from the "neutral" of an average American will differ from the "neutral" of a socialist will differ from the "neutral" of a Christian fundamentalist will differ from the "neutral" of a free marketer.

To quote Zizek:

> I already am eating from the trashcan all the time. The name of this trashcan is ideology.

> The material force of ideology makes me not see what I am effectively eating. It’s not only our reality which enslaves us. The tragedy of our predicament when we are within ideology is that when we think that we escape it into our dreams, at that point we are within ideology.

Re: Political bias in AI: Where the AI models stand

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Post by Forgeties79 »

giancarlostoro wrote: post #8

The political compass always felt like the wrong tool to convey something as nuanced as personal politics, I can have views on all four quadrants but you'd never know that if I end up in any of all four. I do think Grok being where it is sort of makes sense, I've tested "MAGA" views against Grok, it does not agree as much as people blindly assume it does, heck I don't even know of a question I've given it where it di…

Whenever it breaks with MAGA enough to cause outrage on Twitter and cries of “it’s gone woke,” Musk openly states they’re going to “fix it.”

Edit: don’t take my word for it https://www.yahoo.com/news/musk-says-grok-fixed-tells-223134...

> That prompted another user to tag Grok in the thread and ask, "Why is the left so murderously violent? They don't seem so tolerant." Grok replied, "The claim that 'the left' is murderously violent isn't backed by evidence," offering a centrist correction: "Political violence spans all side — right-wing attacks, like Jan. 6, and left-wing protests, like 2020 riots, both occur but aren't exclusive to one group."

>That evening, Musk responded to an X user and Trump backer who complained that Grok had been "manipulated by leftist indoctrination," writing, "I know. Working on fixing that this week."

Re: Political bias in AI: Where the AI models stand

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Post by boxed »

samat wrote: post #22

Real politics is 1% versus everyone. Mortgage crisis, financial bailout, inflation, taxing of labor and not the assets and assets capture by tiny percent of the population — see what MSM is pushing. This left vs right divide might been useful decades ago, but today is absolutely divide and control tactics

The real politics is between truth and delusion.
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