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Countries are competing to see which can carry out mass surveillance the best

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Re: Countries are competing to see which can carry out mass surveillance the best

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Post by illithid0 »

vivzkestrel wrote: post #10

- does anyone have actual proof that surveillance does not effectively curb terrorism or something along those lines? - i keep seeing the same arguments everywhere "ThEy WaNt To CoNtRoL Us" etc - how do you propose catching terrorists then?

This is a classic logical error.

It is not the job of the citizenry to prove that surveillance doesn't curb terrorism in order to preserve privacy. It is the job of the government to prove that surveillance DOES curb terrorism to such a degree that privacy MUST be degraded.

Only then we can have a conversation.

Re: Countries are competing to see which can carry out mass surveillance the best

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Post by gruez »

sph wrote: post #7
panny wrote: post #4

Mass surveillance is bad, until I'm in charge of it. -- Parents demanding "age verification" laws

It's not parents demanding 'age verification' laws.

That's not supported by the polling.

>From everything you have seen and heard, do you support or oppose the recent rules requiring age verification to access websites that may contain pornographic material?*

>80% support

https://yougov.com/en-gb/articles/52693-how-have-britons-rea...

>The Essential poll found majority support for a range reforms to improve online safety including: [...] enforcing age verifications for pornography and gambling sites (79%); enforcing age verification for social media (76%)

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/article/2024/may/...

Re: Countries are competing to see which can carry out mass surveillance the best

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Post by basket_horse »

noosphr wrote: post #15
panny wrote: post #4

Mass surveillance is bad, until I'm in charge of it. -- Parents demanding "age verification" laws

Yes, I really want pedophiles to know just how old my kids are.

lol as if they don’t have a birth certificate already

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Post by PxldLtd »

sph wrote: post #7
panny wrote: post #4

Mass surveillance is bad, until I'm in charge of it. -- Parents demanding "age verification" laws

It's not parents demanding 'age verification' laws.

This feels a bit out of touch. These policies have a lot of public support here in the UK. All of our parent friends are lauding it despite my complaints.

Re: Countries are competing to see which can carry out mass surveillance the best

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Post by N_Lens »

buckle8017 wrote: post #18
vivzkestrel wrote: post #10

- does anyone have actual proof that surveillance does not effectively curb terrorism or something along those lines? - i keep seeing the same arguments everywhere "ThEy WaNt To CoNtRoL Us" etc - how do you propose catching terrorists then?

Says a coward posting anonymously online.

Don’t bother, probably a paid actor or bot.

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Post by simonask »

egorfine wrote: post #19

reddit started asking KYC yesterday. You (and me) can bitch all you want, but reddit has well prepared for us whining and being sad will change nothing. Mark my words: KYC will be required on HN in about two years. Not because dang will want it, but because that's the direction the world is going to.

It's weird because... I'm not the customer on either Reddit or HN. I'm the product.

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Post by DrScientist »

vivzkestrel wrote: post #10

- does anyone have actual proof that surveillance does not effectively curb terrorism or something along those lines? - i keep seeing the same arguments everywhere "ThEy WaNt To CoNtRoL Us" etc - how do you propose catching terrorists then?

The funny thing is that quite often people who actually perform attacks are well known to the security services ( because they have been frequently referred to them - rather than some online trawl ).

cf UK manchester bombers.

In the end the only effective way to stop terrorism ( since it's so easy to just drive a car into a crowd of people ), is to create a society where people don't want to do it - which is what we mostly have - as terrorism, while terrible, is fortunately still quite rare.

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Post by xyzzy_plugh »

gruez wrote: post #22
sph wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not parents demanding 'age verification' laws.

That's not supported by the polling. >From everything you have seen and heard, do you support or oppose the recent rules requiring age verification to access websites that may contain pornographic material?* >80% support https://yougov.com/en-gb/articles/52693-how-have-britons-rea... >The Essential poll found majority support for a range reforms to improve online safety including: [...] enforcing age verifications fo…

Support is not the same thing as demand.

Re: Countries are competing to see which can carry out mass surveillance the best

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Post by dismalaf »

basket_horse wrote: post #23
noosphr wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, I really want pedophiles to know just how old my kids are.

lol as if they don’t have a birth certificate already

It's not shown on the internet. Age verification laws essentially broadcast it.

Re: Countries are competing to see which can carry out mass surveillance the best

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Post by Cider9986 »

vivzkestrel wrote: post #10

- does anyone have actual proof that surveillance does not effectively curb terrorism or something along those lines? - i keep seeing the same arguments everywhere "ThEy WaNt To CoNtRoL Us" etc - how do you propose catching terrorists then?

There's not even that much terrorism and there wasn't much even before these authoritarian measures.

More people die in the US from cars every month than died from 9/11.

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

Yes, who cares what it originally meant:

https://www.npr.org/2015/03/02/390245038/ben-franklins-famou...

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