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Anthropic says Alibaba illicitly extracted Claude AI model capabilities
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#142Earlier quoted context omitted.
The resellers route requests via one of thousands of Claude Max 5x accounts. When an account reaches its usage limit, they automatically switch to another account.
Why would they use Max 5x instead of Max 20x, which is cheaper relatively speaking?
You're right, they're using the $200 Max plan, which I thought was the 5x plan. It's talked about in the article I linked.
Re: Anthropic says Alibaba illicitly extracted Claude AI model capabilities
#143Here's what is happening: Chinese resellers are offering Claude tokens at 70-90% below official Anthropic API prices. They achieve this by reselling capacity from pooled Claude Max accounts, payments fraud, and also reselling the model output & reasoning chains to various Chinese labs. They are subsidizing model access in exchange for user logs and reasoning traces, which they then sell as training data, allowing the…
But I can rebuild glm Using open source methods…
And there are a ton of Claude conversation logs (with CoT/inference) with no clear provenance circulating freely on huggingface, guess where they (likely) come from.
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#144if they’re paying for the tokens, what’s the problem
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#145The hypocrisy of Anthropic complaining about "illicitly extracting its Claude AI model capabilities" and supporting the White House's accusation of China "stealing U.S. AI labs' intellectual property on an industrial scale" is hilarious.
Anthropic, OpenAI, Google, Microsoft, et al trained their models by ignoring the rights of copyright holders when harvesting whatever content they could. Now one of them is crying foul for another entity doing exactly what they all did?
Hilarious.
Re: Anthropic says Alibaba illicitly extracted Claude AI model capabilities
#146Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Does this mean that the reseller (for example XYZ) is buying it from Anthropic at Anthropic's price and then reselling it at a cheaper price???? Yes, as they explained they do it through things like pooling accounts, straight up payment fraud, and double-dipping by selling the logs of the conversations to chinese AI labs so that they can train their own models on it. > The link does mention Opus and other models bu…
Summarizing for you: Anthropic is a stupid company that let everybody steal their tokens
Not really sure what else they can do, between people running residential proxies (embedded in cheap games or for a tiny sum of crypto) on their phones at home, making the source of the traffic indistinguishable from legitimate traffic, to ID verification check completion as a service in low-income countries, there isn't much they can do to block it.
Re: Anthropic says Alibaba illicitly extracted Claude AI model capabilities
#147it sure sucks when people steal your hard work for free without paying for it doesn't it anthropic
Re: Anthropic says Alibaba illicitly extracted Claude AI model capabilities
#148This is great for competition! Chinese vendors offering a cheaper solution = what economics told me the free market was all about. I also learnt that Anthropic should get better at what they do if they want to compete. If not, somebody else will win. Or does this not apply to huge US corporations any more?
AI was always going to be a race to the bottom and low margins. It’s why I’m extremely bearish on AI as an investment. It’s framed as some high margin business when it’s really going to end up like your toilet paper at Costco. You will use whatever is cheapest and gets the job done.
Re: Anthropic says Alibaba illicitly extracted Claude AI model capabilities
#149willy wonka oh-go-on-dot-gif
Gosh, overusing accounts running up unplanned-for expenses?
Kinda reminds me of...overusage charges and inflated expenses clients have had to deal with because Anthropic, OpenAI, Grok, etc have been "illicitly extracting" everything they can grab from said websites, as fast as they can. In what amounts to a DDOS, frankly.
Re: Anthropic says Alibaba illicitly extracted Claude AI model capabilities
#150This is great for competition! Chinese vendors offering a cheaper solution = what economics told me the free market was all about. I also learnt that Anthropic should get better at what they do if they want to compete. If not, somebody else will win. Or does this not apply to huge US corporations any more?
It never did. In debt the first 5000 years Geaeber makes the case that pure “free market” trade has never really existed in “the west”. The closest to this ideal that’s ever happened was during the Islamic golden age enabled by religious prescriptions against usury.
>The closest to this ideal that’s ever happened was during the Islamic golden age enabled by religious prescriptions against usury.
How does are bans against consensual financial exchanges close to the "ideal" of the free market? It just sounds like you have an axe to grind about the financial system rather than describing free markets.