Anthropic says Alibaba illicitly extracted Claude AI model capabilities

Post by wslh » Thu, Jun 25, 2026, 2:15 AM UTC

gruez wrote: post #55

avaer wrote: post #42

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If Anthropic is selling a dollar for less than a dollar, they are running a business that doesn't make sense. That's what jeopardizes Claude Max, not this.

But if it's intended to be used by one person, it seems like breaking the contract by sublicensing it out to dozens of other people. It's like buying a netflix subscription for $15, then sublicensing it on a per-hour basis to dozens of other people.

Post by HeavenFox » Thu, Jun 25, 2026, 2:16 AM UTC

tristanj wrote: post #25

Here's what is happening: Chinese resellers are offering Claude tokens at 70-90% below official Anthropic API prices. They achieve this by reselling capacity from pooled Claude Max accounts, payments fraud, and also reselling the model output & reasoning chains to various Chinese labs. They are subsidizing model access in exchange for user logs and reasoning traces, which they then sell as training data, allowing the…

Post by nekusar » Thu, Jun 25, 2026, 2:18 AM UTC

ammo1662 wrote: post #91

tristanj wrote: post #84

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DeepSeek permanently cut its V4-pro API prices by 75% because they were too expensive. Without the price cut, Deepseek V4-pro tokens would have cost more than resold Opus 4.8 tokens. Opus 4.8 is a more capable model, so almost nobody was going to pay for V4-pro at the original price.

China also have trust issue with American companies. Most of State-owned companies will not use those services even if they can directly access them.

Post by avd201 » Thu, Jun 25, 2026, 2:19 AM UTC

nonethewiser wrote: post #59

amazingamazing wrote: post #15

Distillation is fundamentally impossible to protect against. All you can do is slow them down. Change my view. Eventually these Chinese companies will release some extension like Honey, which will sit on top real, non-Chinese clients and send everything to China anyway. It's over.

Im not so sure because we only seem to see distillation from China. What’s preventing tech companies from the UK, Germany, etc. from distilling Claude, GPT, etc. Do they simply lack the ability to? Point being there may be no technical solution but there may be a political one (theoretically).

Post by jadar » Thu, Jun 25, 2026, 2:20 AM UTC

taneq wrote: post #19

walrus01 wrote: post #13

Reminds me a bit of the anecdote of Steve Jobs complaining about people ripping off the Mac GUI, in the mid to late 1980s, when he gave no public acknowledgement to the work done by Xerox on the Alto and Star operating system. "you're trying to rip off what I've already ripped off!" Crawl the whole Internet to build a gargantuan sized LLM and then complain you're being copied...

“You’re trying to kidnap what I’ve rightfully stolen!”