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Meta Pauses Employee-Tracking Program Following Internal Data Leak

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Re: Meta Pauses Employee-Tracking Program Following Internal Data Leak

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React made front end suck. Sorry.

I think you might be forgetting how much it sucked before React.

I started with manual ajax calls and browser compatibility issues. It was a painful time. I remember jquery solved some real problems.

But I found the best development cycle as a rails/django multi page apps developer. Anytime I encountered something I needed to update without a refresh it was easy to solve with polling or eventually websockets.

Re: Meta Pauses Employee-Tracking Program Following Internal Data Leak

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Or he’s backed by the CIA?

Or maybe you are backed by the CIA?

Except there is plenty of public evidence Facebook was. I think they were even on the cap table and thiel / palintir are explicitly partners in wiring up tech data pipelines into the knowledge graph. Thats why thiel was an early investor, this is known public info.

Re: Meta Pauses Employee-Tracking Program Following Internal Data Leak

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They are not understanding that it's not one person's moral failing at the root of it, it's the system that forces everyone into participating in amoral things, including for example the investors of Meta who are getting a bigger bag. That includes every one of you S&P500 index fund hodlers.

It's both. We can point to individuals who make terrible decisions and also acknowledge that there will always be such people as long as the system incentivizes them.

How many of index fund investors take a short position on Meta to cancel out that share? That's pretty easy to do. If it's nobody then everyone is "such people" and it is meaningless to single out any one person. Just acknowledge that there is no moral high ground for anyone. You either provide labor or capital to the enterprise, which is worse?

Re: Meta Pauses Employee-Tracking Program Following Internal Data Leak

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It's both. We can point to individuals who make terrible decisions and also acknowledge that there will always be such people as long as the system incentivizes them.

How many of index fund investors take a short position on Meta to cancel out that share? That's pretty easy to do. If it's nobody then everyone is "such people" and it is meaningless to single out any one person. Just acknowledge that there is no moral high ground for anyone. You either provide labor or capital to the enterprise, which is worse?

I reject the idea that a person who doesn't do literally everything they can to improve the world is the same as one who actively makes it worse.

Re: Meta Pauses Employee-Tracking Program Following Internal Data Leak

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I agree. That said, a cursory glance at their post history shows they donate 6-figures to charity, which while very commendable, flies in the face of the idea of being 'stuck'. In any case, it's quite simple. If you work at Meta, you certainly have other options. Similar-tier companies pay just as well, and lower-tier companies will interview you readily. We're not talking about someone scraping by here - working at…

> donate 6-figures to charity, which while very commendable, flies in the face of the idea of being 'stuck'. Have you considered that the harm of the loss of 6 figures can completely destroy local charities? This quickly devolves into effective altruism and the problems that come with that but it’s very easy to end up in a situation where you think the net good you bring by keeping a local abused women shelter open f…

I don't care to dive into imaginary philosophical debates. I'm responding to the person in this thread saying, "I'm stuck" while clearly being financially well-off.

Re: Meta Pauses Employee-Tracking Program Following Internal Data Leak

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It's both. We can point to individuals who make terrible decisions and also acknowledge that there will always be such people as long as the system incentivizes them.

How many of index fund investors take a short position on Meta to cancel out that share? That's pretty easy to do. If it's nobody then everyone is "such people" and it is meaningless to single out any one person. Just acknowledge that there is no moral high ground for anyone. You either provide labor or capital to the enterprise, which is worse?

what a mindset.

I'll make sure to shame my Illumina scientist neighbor for working on tech that deliberately targets underage children (purposely violating the Children's Online Privacy Protection Act.). After all, he owns the world's most popular index fund, which includes Meta. He certainly should feel just as culpable as the Meta employees!

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Hey, if you can handle a dystopian Kafka inspired shit show all major tech companies have an office in Berlin.

How? Any world wide company will have local offices for local operations. They are big enough that they have whole data centers there. Of course they'll hire some locals.

What do you mean how? I know engineers in Berlin that work for AMZN, MS, meta, and Google...

Re: Meta Pauses Employee-Tracking Program Following Internal Data Leak

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Engineer building Panzers is better then SS medic. No doubt there. It is in fact better to be employed arms manufacturer then be member of SS - regardless of which position they put you in. You knew this is fascist organization as you was entering it and that everything you will do is to advance those goals.

I don’t know if the distinction holds. The philosophical base of where you work goes is the same: fuelling the Nazi war machine. Building a machine that kills thousands isn’t that distinct from healing a soldier that kills dozens. Meh.

SS medic would be also personally actively working on genocide. SS were selected elite soldiers, volunteerly there, ideologically commited to the cause and willing to take hightened risks.

SS medic joined because he was commited nazi. You can be arms engineer without being commited nazi or commited toward genocide. With SS, nope, regardless of position they assigned you to, you have to be confident fundamentalist to join in the first place.

Re: Meta Pauses Employee-Tracking Program Following Internal Data Leak

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Or maybe you are backed by the CIA?

Except there is plenty of public evidence Facebook was. I think they were even on the cap table and thiel / palintir are explicitly partners in wiring up tech data pipelines into the knowledge graph. Thats why thiel was an early investor, this is known public info.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9374977

Re: Meta Pauses Employee-Tracking Program Following Internal Data Leak

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How many of index fund investors take a short position on Meta to cancel out that share? That's pretty easy to do. If it's nobody then everyone is "such people" and it is meaningless to single out any one person. Just acknowledge that there is no moral high ground for anyone. You either provide labor or capital to the enterprise, which is worse?

I reject the idea that a person who doesn't do literally everything they can to improve the world is the same as one who actively makes it worse.

No. It's not not doing everything, it's not doing even the easiest thing.

You don't get to hide behind "investing" just because there are some intermediaries to move money for you. You are actively gaining a profit from Meta and investing for the long term, meaning you don't even need the money for 10+ years. That's way worse than someone contributing labor to do some work in exchange for pay now. In fact you are paying their salary to do all these things you despise, and insist that they do more of it for more $ every quarter when there are any number of safe though less profitable alternatives. How does it feel?

Talk is cheap. Time to put your money where your mouth is.

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