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Re: Meta Pauses Employee-Tracking Program Following Internal Data Leak

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Post by vintermann »

jazzpush2 wrote: post #4

Meta continuing to be the most shameless (and shameful to work for) company around. I can't think of a single product of theirs that hasn't made the world a markedly worse place. Even their recent hardware foray is managing to find a way to ruin trust in everyday interactions (guys filming drunk girls with Ray Bans, surveillance, etc.). Have several friends at the more 'thoughtful' frontier labs that bin meta applica…

Depends on what you consider theirs I guess. The pytorch ecosystem and initial push to open weight models, I consider a pretty good thing for the world all things considered. Lots of great code from FAIR.

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Post by jekekepel »

59nadir wrote: post #130
haunter wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I can't think of a single product of theirs that hasn't made the world a markedly worse place zstd I’m torn about React and PyTorch :)

Corporate open-source (Open Source) is done for free labor and PR, it shouldn't be bonus points for any company that does it, unless they commit to it and pay their contributors, have no CLAs that allow them to relicense the work, or adopt practices and licenses that are clearly more in line with the actual spirit of free software. Real free software that should be considered a public good is produced by people, for…

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Re: Meta Pauses Employee-Tracking Program Following Internal Data Leak

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Post by vintermann »

59nadir wrote: post #130
haunter wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I can't think of a single product of theirs that hasn't made the world a markedly worse place zstd I’m torn about React and PyTorch :)

Corporate open-source (Open Source) is done for free labor and PR, it shouldn't be bonus points for any company that does it, unless they commit to it and pay their contributors, have no CLAs that allow them to relicense the work, or adopt practices and licenses that are clearly more in line with the actual spirit of free software. Real free software that should be considered a public good is produced by people, for…

Well yeah, you shouldn't give much credit to the corporation, but neither should you backlist all applicants who ever worked for them (as OP says some frontier labs do)

Re: Meta Pauses Employee-Tracking Program Following Internal Data Leak

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Post by 59nadir »

vintermann wrote: post #143
59nadir wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Corporate open-source (Open Source) is done for free labor and PR, it shouldn't be bonus points for any company that does it, unless they commit to it and pay their contributors, have no CLAs that allow them to relicense the work, or adopt practices and licenses that are clearly more in line with the actual spirit of free software. Real free software that should be considered a public good is produced by people, for…

Well yeah, you shouldn't give much credit to the corporation, but neither should you backlist all applicants who ever worked for them (as OP says some frontier labs do)

I'm not really commenting on that, I just want to remind people that Open Source is highly overrated and should not be looked at as a point in favor of a company.

Re: Meta Pauses Employee-Tracking Program Following Internal Data Leak

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Post by roughly »

usefulcat wrote: post #87
zx8080 wrote: post #53

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Meta is a golden jail for one teenager who cannot grow up no matter what he does. Shame.

Not to defend him, but there are actually quite a lot of people who can’t or won’t grow up.

Sure, most of them don't have the body count Zuck's wracking up, though.

Re: Meta Pauses Employee-Tracking Program Following Internal Data Leak

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Post by vintermann »

jazzpush2 wrote: post #85
haunter wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I can't think of a single product of theirs that hasn't made the world a markedly worse place zstd I’m torn about React and PyTorch :)

They author thousands of open-source. Nobody would consider those 'products' (though feel free to play pedantic). And many would argue React did far more harm than good.

Without React we might not have had the JavaScript framework explosion, we'd all be programming in Angular JS.

Maybe I'm exaggerating slightly, but I think we should judge frameworks compared to what other things existed at the time.

It's, by the way, another example of how the only good thing Facebook did was deny Google complete dominance.

Re: Meta Pauses Employee-Tracking Program Following Internal Data Leak

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Post by x______________ »

inigyou wrote: post #120
otterley wrote: post #110

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Without evidence of this “special arrangement” I don’t see why anyone should believe you. You made a claim that is directly contrary to WhatsApp’s published materials and they have a lot to lose if you are correct. On the other hand, if your accusation is false, it’s tantamount to libel.

How's this? Not sure if it's the same issue but it's much more damning than the one I knew about. https://www.techspot.com/news/112232-federal-agent-whatsapp-... You know how I found this link? Googling WhatsApp encryption backdoor. You could have too.

> You know how I found this link? Googling WhatsApp encryption backdoor. You could have too.

No need for the attitude. Op asked you for a source, which is customary for one to back up their initial claim; an onus on you and not for someone else to validate your claims.

Re: Meta Pauses Employee-Tracking Program Following Internal Data Leak

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Post by vintermann »

digitaltrees wrote: post #72
lend000 wrote: post #52

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Even the original idea (if The Social Network is a trustworthy source) was copied -- Zuckerberg just has a complete lack of vision, but is clearly an intelligent operator with good business sense. Jagged intelligence, like an LLM.

Or he’s backed by the CIA?

Unlikely, since he is extremely hated by the Democratic party establishment. He's treated like a scorned ex.

Re: Meta Pauses Employee-Tracking Program Following Internal Data Leak

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Post by blitzar »

jopolous wrote: post #14
jazzpush2 wrote: post #4

Meta continuing to be the most shameless (and shameful to work for) company around. I can't think of a single product of theirs that hasn't made the world a markedly worse place. Even their recent hardware foray is managing to find a way to ruin trust in everyday interactions (guys filming drunk girls with Ray Bans, surveillance, etc.). Have several friends at the more 'thoughtful' frontier labs that bin meta applica…

Where should we work instead? I’d really like to leave, but I’m kind of stuck, and I don’t have enough to retire. I have to work remote from a non-coast state for family care reasons, and the places I’ve interviewed at the last few months have balked at hiring a remote employee.

Ahh the olde Nuremberg Defense - Befehl ist Befehl ... “an order is an order”
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