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Re: Meta Pauses Employee-Tracking Program Following Internal Data Leak

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Post by myng111 »

zer0zzz wrote: post #65
Marsymars wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They've also largely made WhatsApp worse.

How so? Most of the hardcore encryption stuff was built at Facebook under the founder's supervision afaik for the purposes of making it harder for Zuck to inevitably ruin the privacy aspects. I personally don't use it, because it _is_ loaded with engagement bait but its not all worse and is better in some ways.

From an infrastructure PoV, I seem to recall that WhatsApp was one of the few major companies that used Erlang, and were famous for being able to run the entirety of WhatsApp on only a few servers, each of which was serving millions of concurrent connections, mostly thanks to Erlang/BEAM (at least, from what I read). When it got acquired by Facebook, they then proceeded to rewrite the entirety of the backend in C++. Seems kind of baffling to me.

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Post by georgemcbay »

thin_carapace wrote: post #99
lend000 wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even the original idea (if The Social Network is a trustworthy source) was copied -- Zuckerberg just has a complete lack of vision, but is clearly an intelligent operator with good business sense. Jagged intelligence, like an LLM.

has zuckerberg done anything productive of his own accord? facebook was ripped off. most meta companies were acquired. it could be argued that propagandizing the entire world was productive relative to vested interests but that was done on the behest of those interests, not zuck himself. the only thing im aware of zuck actually spearheading was the metaverse, a conclusively unproductive pursuit costing tens of billio…

> has zuckerberg done anything productive of his own accord?

It probably will surprise no one to learn his "next big thing" is a prediction market app.

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/06/23/technology/meta-predictio...

Hits the Meta product trifecta perfectly:

* Derivative

* Late to market

* Harmful to society

Re: Meta Pauses Employee-Tracking Program Following Internal Data Leak

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Post by Lio »

otterley wrote: post #81
applfanboysbgon wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nope. Nope nope nope NOPE. No part of this is remotely reasonable. Stop normalising mass surveillance. It is not okay. Not even your own employees, to this degree. Employees are humans too (maybe not the ones at Meta, but I'm speaking in general). Just because somebody is receiving a paycheck for something does not make them fair game for anything and everything to be done to them. > there's a foreman watching the em…

Do you believe that police should have their activities monitored at work? How about child care workers? Nuclear power plant operators? Bank tellers? And if those are ok, what makes them different?

They’re different because of the job they do, who’s doing the monitoring and who has access to the records.

In all the examples you’ve given the monitoring is used to reduce the power imbalance between the public and vested interests with their own agenda.

For example, so the bank teller doesn’t steal from account holders.

For child care workers it’s to protect children in care. If it was used solely to gather information to fire potential whistleblowers people would have a problem with it too.

Considering that, for example, Meta management have a record of encouraging their staff to break copyright laws and lie about it, this surveillance probably isn’t designed to help society as a whole.

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Post by mdavid626 »

guessmyname wrote: post #77
sidcool wrote: post #58

Meta must really be paying a lot!

Indeed → https://www.levels.fyi/companies/facebook/salaries • Engineer (E3, entry level) $248.2K avg ∴ https://www.levels.fyi/companies/facebook/salaries/software-... • Engineer (E5, senior level) $629.8K avg ∴ https://www.levels.fyi/companies/facebook/salaries/software-... • Engineer (E7, principal) $1.69M avg ∴ https://www.levels.fyi/companies/facebook/salaries/software-... • Engineer (E9, distinguished) $6.09M avg…

Crying in Germany with 60-85k average SW engineer salary.

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Post by lostglass »

mdavid626 wrote: post #104
guessmyname wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Indeed → https://www.levels.fyi/companies/facebook/salaries • Engineer (E3, entry level) $248.2K avg ∴ https://www.levels.fyi/companies/facebook/salaries/software-... • Engineer (E5, senior level) $629.8K avg ∴ https://www.levels.fyi/companies/facebook/salaries/software-... • Engineer (E7, principal) $1.69M avg ∴ https://www.levels.fyi/companies/facebook/salaries/software-... • Engineer (E9, distinguished) $6.09M avg…

Crying in Germany with 60-85k average SW engineer salary.

Hey, if you can handle a dystopian Kafka inspired shit show all major tech companies have an office in Berlin.

Re: Meta Pauses Employee-Tracking Program Following Internal Data Leak

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Post by delis-thumbs-7e »

mdavid626 wrote: post #104
guessmyname wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Indeed → https://www.levels.fyi/companies/facebook/salaries • Engineer (E3, entry level) $248.2K avg ∴ https://www.levels.fyi/companies/facebook/salaries/software-... • Engineer (E5, senior level) $629.8K avg ∴ https://www.levels.fyi/companies/facebook/salaries/software-... • Engineer (E7, principal) $1.69M avg ∴ https://www.levels.fyi/companies/facebook/salaries/software-... • Engineer (E9, distinguished) $6.09M avg…

Crying in Germany with 60-85k average SW engineer salary.

Yeah, but you don’t have to have to pay SF mortgage prices, have a working public healthcare, no hordes of homeless on your doorstep etc. etc.

One might argue that we get more for our sille euro wages. Also if we decide to leave the company, we are not completely f_ckd, since our families don ’t suddenly drop out of healthcare and other services.

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Post by camillomiller »

darkest_ruby wrote: post #98
colordrops wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've avoided react as much as I could. Maintained a high paying frontend career without react until a year or so ago, when I was forced by management to start using it. Thankfully AI was able to touch it for me while I pinched my nose.

What was your framework of choice if not react, if you don't mind me asking

I will blow your mind: you don’t necessarily need one

Re: Meta Pauses Employee-Tracking Program Following Internal Data Leak

#108

Post by trueno »

otterley wrote: post #81
applfanboysbgon wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nope. Nope nope nope NOPE. No part of this is remotely reasonable. Stop normalising mass surveillance. It is not okay. Not even your own employees, to this degree. Employees are humans too (maybe not the ones at Meta, but I'm speaking in general). Just because somebody is receiving a paycheck for something does not make them fair game for anything and everything to be done to them. > there's a foreman watching the em…

Do you believe that police should have their activities monitored at work? How about child care workers? Nuclear power plant operators? Bank tellers? And if those are ok, what makes them different?

that is the most outlandish comparison ive ever seen

Re: Meta Pauses Employee-Tracking Program Following Internal Data Leak

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Post by Lio »

For all those saying “if you’re not breaking the rules you have nothing to fear” consider that most firms regard “working to rule” to be a form of protest.

If you just follow their rules this surveillance will be used to identify and sanction you.

Re: Meta Pauses Employee-Tracking Program Following Internal Data Leak

#110

Post by otterley »

inigyou wrote: post #97
otterley wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you post a link?

No. It's a special arrangement between Google and WhatsApp which makes a file only visible to WhatsApp, and not appear in your regular drive so you can't do normal cloud file operations like generating public links.

Without evidence of this “special arrangement” I don’t see why anyone should believe you. You made a claim that is directly contrary to WhatsApp’s published materials and they have a lot to lose if you are correct. On the other hand, if your accusation is false, it’s tantamount to libel.
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