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Extreme Heat conference cancelled due to extreme heat warning

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Re: Extreme Heat conference cancelled due to extreme heat warning

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It'll be -20 Celsius in winter and +40 Celsius in summer and everyone will die in both seasons so yes, no more heat problem when everyone dies.

-20 Celsius is not that bad in Winter.

It is if your ecosystems and built environment aren't adapted to it.

Re: Extreme Heat conference cancelled due to extreme heat warning

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I was under the same impression about window units till recently as well. However, I learned that there are units with hoses and foam seals that just require to put the window on tilt and then the hose goes out at the top and the surrounding area is sealed with the foam. Not as good as a minisplit but it works and is DIY.

This might sound ridiculous to you but in the U.K. we generally don’t have tilting windows. They are really common in Germany though.

So you don't have sliding windows but also not tilting windows? They can only swing open?

Re: Extreme Heat conference cancelled due to extreme heat warning

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Europeans don’t get scolded enough for their resistance to air conditioning. In terms of accounting for preventable deaths, Greece has 2x more heat-related deaths per capita annually than Mississippi has gun deaths. By comparison, the worst US state for heat related deaths, Nevada - a literal desert - has >10x fewer deaths per capita than Greece.

Genuine question: Do we have data that collaborates the theory that AC's prevent heat deaths and it's not due to confounding variables like the air in Nevada being dryer (dry heat is more bearable than wet heat) or the people in Nevada having year round higher temperatures and just being more acclimated? Has been on my "to research" list for a while. I agree with you that Europeans should stop being so stingy with AC…

Exactly. The recent heat deaths I saw were people getting heart attack from jumping into cold river and others mostly from dehydration. All are from outside.

You will not die from sleeping in 30c. What europe will have to get used to is slow down over the mid day when the heat is worst.

Re: Extreme Heat conference cancelled due to extreme heat warning

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Sorry what? There's no reason that you can't install AC in your home/office in Europe, and many are doing so. It just hasn't been needed very much til recently.

There is, unfortunately. You cannot install AC, with an outside unit, without approval of your landlord. Lots of people are renting, e.g in Germany. Of course, one can get an indoor unit an seal the window. But it is heavy and takes up a lot of space in a small urban rental..

Changing the goalposts. We've gone from saying that Europe has (never defined) laws that prevent anyone from installing AC, to saying that tenants cannot make major changes to their properties. Landlords can install AC fine. Home owners can install AC. There are no laws that prevent installation of AC in Europe.

Re: Extreme Heat conference cancelled due to extreme heat warning

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There's no European law against AC. It's just expensive energy because it's got carbon taxes in it.

There are atleast some restrictions in localities I.e. https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/aug/12/portof... or parts of Portugal. Also at a certain point if you ban or heavily restrict energy production to the point that no one can afford to run AC, it is a de facto ban.

Sure, HOAs are a nuisance in the US too.

Re: Extreme Heat conference cancelled due to extreme heat warning

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Europeans don’t get scolded enough for their resistance to air conditioning. In terms of accounting for preventable deaths, Greece has 2x more heat-related deaths per capita annually than Mississippi has gun deaths. By comparison, the worst US state for heat related deaths, Nevada - a literal desert - has >10x fewer deaths per capita than Greece.

”Hey so all your animals and crops are dying, but if you just install AC and stop going outdoors this whole thing can be ignored”

Re: Extreme Heat conference cancelled due to extreme heat warning

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This is completely ridiculous you just need to let people use AC properly and it will solve most of the problem with people dying. That doesn’t mean you need to go from place to place in AC or never be out of AC, but every person in southern Europe should have an AC unit in their bedroom and deaths will go down substantially. Another thing that would help is if Europe stopped being so averse to new construction so th…

> "Another thing that would help is if Europe..." Europe is a continent with a lot of different countries, all with different laws and regulations. Even the ones who are in the European Union have different rules and regulations. So please realize that any blanket statements about Europe work as well as making one about the Americas (ie North/South).

Europeans say ”Americans xxx while the French yyy” all the time. Member states should be compared to member states, or the US to the EU.

Re: Extreme Heat conference cancelled due to extreme heat warning

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This might sound ridiculous to you but in the U.K. we generally don’t have tilting windows. They are really common in Germany though.

So you don't have sliding windows but also not tilting windows? They can only swing open?

Traditionally everyone had sash windows ("sliding windows") or casement windows ("swing open") made from wood. Nowadays sash windows are very expensive so almost everyone has casement windows, or even casement windows that look like sash windows, both constructed from UPVC. It's only in historic buildings people typically still install sash windows. I had to do that in my house because of it being a "conservation area" and it cost £14k for four timber double glazed sash windows! There are some UPVC sash windows now but they're pretty uncommon still.

Re: Extreme Heat conference cancelled due to extreme heat warning

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People tend to rely on air temperatures when in reality the lethality of heat is probably more linked to the wet-bulb temperature. The human body has a natural resting temperature of about 37°C, and metabolism of course generates more heat constantly, so we constantly have to shed that heat. When the temperature is low, we can rely purely on conducting the heat into the atmosphere to shed the heat (which is probably…

Dew point is a much better measure of the oppressive, muggy, sweltering feeling than humidity. The dew point in Australia ranges in the 5ºc - 15ºc range at which 30ºc after sunset feels vastly different, way cooler than South East Asia where the dew point is constantly above 24ºc.

Right so in Brussels today the dew point is forecast to be 23c. Big difference.

Re: Extreme Heat conference cancelled due to extreme heat warning

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> An air conditioner powered by solar energy (or anything solar powered) ends up releasing the exact same amount of "excess" heat as the sunlight would have if it hadn't been absorbed by the panels. Sure. But solar panels are intentionally designed to absorb a lot of energy. So if you are putting the panels over a dark surface, like asphalt, you'll probably have a net zero effect on heat. If you put them over somethi…

You gotta take entropy into account too. Sunshine is high grade energy, infrared is low grade. Reflecting high grade energy is a huge waste. You could even (in theory) run a solar powered space-ir-dumper and end up with net cooling of earth.

Solar panels work by taking "high grade" energy from sunshine, doing some useful work with it, and increasing entropy by producing heat. That heat does radiate energy away at infrared wavelengths, but then greenhouse gases come into play. Greenhouse gases are very effective at reflecting infrared radiation back down to earth, so the heat is trapped.
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