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Israel targeted Gaza children resulting in genocide, UN inquiry says

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Re: Israel targeted Gaza children resulting in genocide, UN inquiry says

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Post by the_origami_fox »

xg15 wrote: post #215
the_origami_fox wrote: post #213

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> There are hardly any Jews in Europe after the Holocaust. They're a rounding error. The communities are small and vulnerable. The largest community in France is under strain with antisemitism and is moving to Israel. The 2nd largest in the UK is not far behind. This honestly makes no sense for me. I live in Europe (Germany) and the discussion about antisemitism and Jewish life is front-and-center here. There are als…

There are ~100,000 German Jews, from a pre-WW2 population of 560,000 in a modern population of 83.6 million, 0.1%.

Yes, did forget that one. Reinstatement of the prohibition to Judaism's holy sites, expulsion of hundred thousands of Israelis from the West Bank, and unlimited Arab immigration to the Jewish state. But it was a peace plan.

Edit: I'm still in shock you argued that 100,000 people in a population of 83.6 million is a lot - front and centre - but hand waved the forced relocation 500,000 people in a population of 10 million in a much smaller country as just the cost of peace.

Re: Israel targeted Gaza children resulting in genocide, UN inquiry says

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Post by joxdosba »

jameshilliard wrote: post #211
amatheus wrote: post #201

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Deaths should not fall randomly across the population unless you’re committing war crimes.

Deaths in Gaza are very much not random. Adult men have the highest casualties which is what would be expected since Hamas militants are most often adult men, it's well documented that Hamas also uses child soldiers to some degree as well.

> it's well documented that Hamas also uses child soldiers to some degree as well.

Cruel Israeli oppression motivates even children to resist them.

Israel then murders said children.

Obviously Hamas must be to blame for Israeli actions.

Re: Israel targeted Gaza children resulting in genocide, UN inquiry says

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Post by xg15 »

the_origami_fox wrote: post #221
xg15 wrote: post #215

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> There are hardly any Jews in Europe after the Holocaust. They're a rounding error. The communities are small and vulnerable. The largest community in France is under strain with antisemitism and is moving to Israel. The 2nd largest in the UK is not far behind. This honestly makes no sense for me. I live in Europe (Germany) and the discussion about antisemitism and Jewish life is front-and-center here. There are als…

There are ~100,000 German Jews, from a pre-WW2 population of 560,000 in a modern population of 83.6 million, 0.1%. Yes, did forget that one. Reinstatement of the prohibition to Judaism's holy sites, expulsion of hundred thousands of Israelis from the West Bank, and unlimited Arab immigration to the Jewish state. But it was a peace plan. Edit: I'm still in shock you argued that 100,000 people in a population of 83.6 m…

No one in Germany (except neo nazis) would object to more Jews settling here.

> but hand waved the forced relocation 500,000 people in a population of 10 million in a much smaller country as just the cost of peace.

The West Bank is not part of Israel. And evidently the Israelis expect the same of 7 million Palestinians (if they aren't trying to annihilate them outright - see OP link of this thread).

> But it was a peace plan.

It still is. It was offered again several times, last time I believe by Qatar during the Gaza war.

Re: Israel targeted Gaza children resulting in genocide, UN inquiry says

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Post by runarberg »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #212
jameshilliard wrote: post #210

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> This leaves China Not exactly.[0] > and North Korea Also not exactly.[1] [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020%E2%80%932021_China%E2%80%... [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_border_incidents_invol...

To China I’d add the illegally occupied and annexed Tibetan territory. It’s old news. But it’s weird to ignore.

Not this century. I was going by this list here for what counts as invasions: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_invasions_in_the_21st_...

and counted 3 or more invasions as prolific invaders.

But your parent is absolutely correct that China and North Korea also regularly engage in wars, though what counts as war and what counts as skirmishes is up for debate, I would count https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020%E2%80%932021_China%E2%80%... as a war (I had just forgotten about it), ditto https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Yeonpyeongdo_bombardment

That however just makes my point stronger.

Re: Israel targeted Gaza children resulting in genocide, UN inquiry says

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Post by spwa4 »

Sabinus wrote: post #208
lorecore wrote: post #146

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Actually it was the Zionists that worked with the Nazis: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haavara_Agreement

While we're posting Wikipedia links about Nazi collaboration: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amin_al-Husseini

I'd like to add, dragging in Hitler because none of WW2 can be explained without him, and the parent poster posted details about the conflict that immediately preceded the independence of the state of Israel. Right before that, WW2 happened and so what happened in the 2 cannot be seen separate from each other.

Hence both sides' behavior during WW2 should be seen as part of the context of what David Ben-Gurion was doing, and Palestinians ... chose a side, let's put it that way.

Re: Israel targeted Gaza children resulting in genocide, UN inquiry says

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Post by n4r9 »

pvaldes wrote: post #136
throw358643 wrote: post #93

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From your link: “From 2015 through 2024, the UN General Assembly has adopted 173 resolutions against Israel and 80 against other countries.” Do you seriously think that throughout this time Israel has been that much worse than all other countries? There are many other indications that the UN is biased about Israel: Only one country has its own permanent agenda Item 7 in the UN. Palestinian refugees have their own org…

> Not a single country in the world opened its doors to Jewish refugees during the Holocaust. Not one except USA. And Sweden, Dominican Republic, Denmark, France, Luxembourg, Belgium, the Netherlands, Norway, Portugal, Poland, Bolivia, Spain, the Soviets and all the other countries that allowed safe crossing. Even Italy hid Jews... so what history books do you studied?.

And the UK: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_refugees_from_German-oc...

Re: Israel targeted Gaza children resulting in genocide, UN inquiry says

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Post by taffydavid »

saturn8601 wrote: post #96
cognitiveinline wrote: post #3

Maybe to spark curious conversation, when a world power seems to be supportive of actions that an international body considers negative, what structure can help resolve these? It does seem like UN is unable to really make a dent here.

We kinda went through this with South Africa. The only thing saving Israel is the US protection and the nukes. US protection can change. Nukes are harder. South Africa successfully utilized "strategic ambiguity". They never explicitly acknowledged they had the weapons, while making sure world leaders knew they were a credible threat. during South Africa's border wars (specifically against the Cubans in Angola), there…

Russia has the largest nuclear arsenal on earth, and we have no issue sanctioning them excessively.

Re: Israel targeted Gaza children resulting in genocide, UN inquiry says

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Post by pvaldes »

gershy wrote: post #193
gershy wrote: post #192

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I am interested to know the overall scale at which this is happening. Disturbing but illuminating, thanks for the link!

I'm digging into this a bit. Looks like the 114 figure (certainly a conservative number) occurred early in the conflict, in the period of late Oct 2023 until March 2024 - in the same time the hamas health ministry reported ~25000 casualties; the deliberately targeted children account for ~0.4% of all the casualties, and ~1.5% of all child casualties. Enough to say "Israel is deliberately targeting"?

After 20.000 children assasinated, with the necessary support and complicity of Biden and Trump governments, yes. Is more than enough.

I have to force myself to read that link until the end. And it says what everybody in Europe has been saying for years, but Israel people still refuses to see.

We need to develop technology able to register this events even from a big distance. Even if the phones are forbbiden. And the war criminals must be judged and jailed, as they are not clearly part of the humanity anymore. A drone able to snatch and remove snippers alive if they are killing children is required.

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Post by prpl »

borolaj wrote: post #200

The under-18 population in the Gaza strip is roughly 47% (according to PCBS). So if deaths fell randomly across the population, children would be ~47% of the dead. They are ~30%. Also the numbers pipeline again runs through Hamas and there is the fact that the UN Council has passed more condemnatory resolutions on Israel than on any other single state (more than Syria, Myanmar, Yemen etc). I am surprised I don't see…

you've had an account for four years, and _this_ is your comment?

Re: Israel targeted Gaza children resulting in genocide, UN inquiry says

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Post by [deleted] »

xg15 wrote: post #223
the_origami_fox wrote: post #221

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are ~100,000 German Jews, from a pre-WW2 population of 560,000 in a modern population of 83.6 million, 0.1%. Yes, did forget that one. Reinstatement of the prohibition to Judaism's holy sites, expulsion of hundred thousands of Israelis from the West Bank, and unlimited Arab immigration to the Jewish state. But it was a peace plan. Edit: I'm still in shock you argued that 100,000 people in a population of 83.6 m…

No one in Germany (except neo nazis) would object to more Jews settling here. > but hand waved the forced relocation 500,000 people in a population of 10 million in a much smaller country as just the cost of peace. The West Bank is not part of Israel. And evidently the Israelis expect the same of 7 million Palestinians (if they aren't trying to annihilate them outright - see OP link of this thread). > But it was a pe…

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