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Israel targeted Gaza children resulting in genocide, UN inquiry says

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Re: Israel targeted Gaza children resulting in genocide, UN inquiry says

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Post by jameshilliard »

amatheus wrote: post #201
borolaj wrote: post #200

The under-18 population in the Gaza strip is roughly 47% (according to PCBS). So if deaths fell randomly across the population, children would be ~47% of the dead. They are ~30%. Also the numbers pipeline again runs through Hamas and there is the fact that the UN Council has passed more condemnatory resolutions on Israel than on any other single state (more than Syria, Myanmar, Yemen etc). I am surprised I don't see…

Deaths should not fall randomly across the population unless you’re committing war crimes.

Deaths in Gaza are very much not random.

Adult men have the highest casualties which is what would be expected since Hamas militants are most often adult men, it's well documented that Hamas also uses child soldiers to some degree as well.

Re: Israel targeted Gaza children resulting in genocide, UN inquiry says

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

jameshilliard wrote: post #210
runarberg wrote: post #182

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I haven’t run the stats on this but it seems to me that countries which have nukes are more likely to invade other countries and then use the nukes as shields to prevent retaliation. Out of the 9 current nuclear armed countries 5 have invaded another countries this century, and three of the most prolific invaders this century (Israel, USA, and Russia; each with over 3 invasions this century) are all nuclear armed. Ou…

> This leaves China Not exactly.[0] > and North Korea Also not exactly.[1] [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020%E2%80%932021_China%E2%80%... [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_border_incidents_invol...

To China I’d add the illegally occupied and annexed Tibetan territory. It’s old news. But it’s weird to ignore.

Re: Israel targeted Gaza children resulting in genocide, UN inquiry says

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Post by the_origami_fox »

xg15 wrote: post #118
the_origami_fox wrote: post #106

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Yes, and that seems to be the rationale of western politicians as well, essentially, "we have to protect Israel to protect the Jewish people, without it, the Holocaust would risk repeating" That makes sense as a "subjective experience" (if there is something like the subjective experience of a people), but it fails the reality check for me. Yes, Israel is the center of Jewish life today (New York coming next apparent…

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Re: Israel targeted Gaza children resulting in genocide, UN inquiry says

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Post by the_origami_fox »

the_origami_fox wrote: post #89
the_origami_fox wrote: post #66

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After another half hour it is at 134 points despite being flagged.

It's taken another 5 hours to reach 201 points, despite being flagged and removed from the home page at around 100 points. It is no longer flagged.

431 points after 18 hours. On the 3rd page. Many of my comments have been flagged. Meanwhile many hateful comments including swearing have not.

Re: Israel targeted Gaza children resulting in genocide, UN inquiry says

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Post by xg15 »

the_origami_fox wrote: post #213
xg15 wrote: post #118

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Yes, and that seems to be the rationale of western politicians as well, essentially, "we have to protect Israel to protect the Jewish people, without it, the Holocaust would risk repeating" That makes sense as a "subjective experience" (if there is something like the subjective experience of a people), but it fails the reality check for me. Yes, Israel is the center of Jewish life today (New York coming next apparent…

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> There are hardly any Jews in Europe after the Holocaust. They're a rounding error. The communities are small and vulnerable. The largest community in France is under strain with antisemitism and is moving to Israel. The 2nd largest in the UK is not far behind.

This honestly makes no sense for me. I live in Europe (Germany) and the discussion about antisemitism and Jewish life is front-and-center here. There are also several synagogues in my city. No one, not even the pro-Palestinian protesters wants them to go away - on the contrary, most protesters (from the left!) go out of their way to stress that their protest against the state of Israel is not hate against the Jewish people. In fact, lots of protesters are Jews themselves.

Who keeps conflating the two things and blurring the boundaries in public discussion are pro-Israel orgs.

Unfortunately, you're right that real antisemitism is rising. However all European states are taking a stance against that.

> There have been repeated attempts at peace...

You forgot the 2002 Arab Peace Initiative.

Re: Israel targeted Gaza children resulting in genocide, UN inquiry says

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Post by jameshilliard »

SanjayMehta wrote: post #197
lovich wrote: post #162

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I sort of see your logic other than South Africa. Why would you drop two nuclear powers who have some means of force projection for a middling economy and military?

British nukes are a joke, they're controlled by the US. Maybe France can stay. If not South Africa, who from Africa? Egypt? Nigeria? The current composition of the UNSC is just ridiculous.

> British nukes are a joke, they're controlled by the US.

While it maybe be true that some of the nukes in the UK(i.e. US B61 gravity bombs) may be under the control of the US, the UK still maintains full control over their submarine launched nukes AFAIU.

Re: Israel targeted Gaza children resulting in genocide, UN inquiry says

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Post by KingMob »

SanjayMehta wrote: post #198
cicko wrote: post #41

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And how do you suggest they do that?

By defunding the UN until it falls apart and is rebuilt from scratch. Right now it's a dysfunctional joke. As are most "international" bodies created just after 1945. "Rules based order" when it suits you, "preemptive strikes" when it doesn't.

This is ironic, because the UN itself was already a rebuilt version of the League of Nations.

Re: Israel targeted Gaza children resulting in genocide, UN inquiry says

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Post by KingMob »

Joyfield wrote: post #174
iJohnDoe wrote: post #79

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Israel has had a hand up each US politician’s ass since the 1980s. Israel owns all of them.

Wait. The Jews really DOES run everything?

They said Israel, not Jews. Don't be antisemitic.

Re: Israel targeted Gaza children resulting in genocide, UN inquiry says

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Post by jameshilliard »

throw310822 wrote: post #37
hsuduebc2 wrote: post #7

If you try very hard, you can understand the reason for bombardment, at least from the BEGINNING. Surely, not the reason for killing these poor children. But I never came to better conclusion about West Bank annexation that that it is pure imperialism. Basically what russians are trying in Ukraine. I'm still not quite sure what is the purpose, there is really not enough land or it's all just bs? I wonder if this ends…

> Basically what russians are trying in Ukraine. Not sure it's the same thing. Russians want political and territorial control in Ukraine, not expelling Ukrainians to resettle the place with "ethnic Russians". Israel wants to conquer the whole of Palestine (West Bank, Gaza, Jerusalem) to replace the native population with its own. There is no possible equal integration of Palestinians or their descendants into a Jewi…

> There is no possible equal integration of Palestinians or their descendants into a Jewish state, not in a thousand years, and by design.

About 20% of Israeli citizens are Arab so Palestinian integration into a state with a Jewish majority can work to a degree. The issue is that if the demographics were flipped it would be unlikely to work(i.e. basically all of Jewish history in Muslim majority countries).

Re: Israel targeted Gaza children resulting in genocide, UN inquiry says

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Post by jameshilliard »

pvaldes wrote: post #105

Were are the UN sanctions on Israel? Still none? UN can go f*k themselves then. Needing so many years to get the courage to say the world genocide, where everybody had seen for years Israel turning little children into little flesh chunks, slowly unfurl in horrid technicolor in world TV, is just another part of the problem. UN is useless.

> Needing so many years to get the courage to say the world genocide, where everybody had seen for years Israel turning little children into little flesh chunks, slowly unfurl in horrid technicolor in world TV, is just another part of the problem. UN is useless.

People really should try to avoid conflating war with genocide, both typically result in some civilian deaths.

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