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California AB 2047 makes 3D printers off-limits to students, educators, business

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Re: California AB 2047 makes 3D printers off-limits to students, educators, business

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Post by mrandish »

umvi wrote: post #28

> The required technology is not possible - 3D printers read code, not intent; they cannot tell what a shape is for. "Anthropic announces Project Disarm, a new model designed for 3d printer manufacturers to quickly infer whether the intent of an stl file is a weapon. The printer first submits the job to the cloud, and only after it's approved will it print." Not that I want this future, just that I can imagine it.

Yes, I can imagine it too. And, if such a 'safety nanny' is enacted into law, I'm confident it will A. Refuse to print a significant number of innocent projects, or B. Be trivially circumvented by bad actors. The odds are high that it will manage to do both.

Re: California AB 2047 makes 3D printers off-limits to students, educators, business

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Post by yieldcrv »

This doesn’t have to be unconstitutional, just regulate the intermediary in such a way that it forces the behaviors you are trying to regulate directly

In this case you can say

“You need a license to do this activity”

[adds all the requirements in the bill to the licensing authority]

“Unlicensed activity is forbidden”

so now you can get your tiny LLMs added to 3D printers so that license holders can operate again, without specifically mandating unworkable technology or getting a freedom of expression challenge from the manufacturers you just invented court standing for

This works under every governance system

Re: California AB 2047 makes 3D printers off-limits to students, educators, business

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Post by Terr_ »

overfeed wrote: post #63
deckar01 wrote: post #45

I tried to photo copy a dollar bill when I was a kid on a dinky inkjet printer. It printed half way then spit out something about counterfeit prevention. I scanned the bill, printed the top half, fed the paper back in, and printed the bottom half. This can only actually stop the completely unmotivated.

You managed to defeat the first layer of defense - the warning. The yellow identifying dots were present on your printed copy, should you have decided become a precocious criminal successful enough to warrant the attention of the Secret Service.

That leads into a great example of how most OS "telemetry" is anything but safe or innocent:

1. Your printer probably puts a secret code into everything you print (not just money-like things) with the time and a serial number of the printer. [0]

2. Windows and MacOS constantly sends the serial-numbers of your connected devices back to the mothership. [1][2]

3. So when you print out a flyer that somehow annoys the regime, they read out the serial number, then call a buddy at Microsoft/Apple.

4. Now there are thugs knocking at your door to talk about how your picture was criminally mean to Dear Leader.

[0] https://www.eff.org/pages/list-printers-which-do-or-do-not-d...

[1] https://arxiv.org/abs/2002.12506

[2] https://littlesnitchfirewall.com/macos-telemetry

Re: California AB 2047 makes 3D printers off-limits to students, educators, business

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Post by gpm »

vlian2088 wrote: post #5

why do your states constantly behave as if they are sovereign nations?

Procedurally the US is closer to a EU style alliance of sovereign nations than a single one. Practically the federal government has long since overgrown it's constitutional role as the equivalent of the EU bodies but if you're looking at a US state and wondering why it's acting like a sovereign nation the answer is generally because it is one, on paper.

Re: California AB 2047 makes 3D printers off-limits to students, educators, business

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Post by giantg2 »

NY is pushing the same sort of stuff. The question to ask is how many people are actually being killed with 3D printed weapons? I don't have that info, but I would guess they are statistical outliers and would have been replaced by other homemade weapons if not available. Politicians love to "fix" problems that aren't really problems in the first place.

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Post by yieldcrv »

yieldcrv wrote: post #72

This doesn’t have to be unconstitutional, just regulate the intermediary in such a way that it forces the behaviors you are trying to regulate directly In this case you can say “You need a license to do this activity” [adds all the requirements in the bill to the licensing authority] “Unlicensed activity is forbidden” so now you can get your tiny LLMs added to 3D printers so that license holders can operate again, wi…

also I would love to get the contract for the embedded firearm detecting LLM

do you guys even America? catch up

Re: California AB 2047 makes 3D printers off-limits to students, educators, business

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Post by skydhash »

umvi wrote: post #28

> The required technology is not possible - 3D printers read code, not intent; they cannot tell what a shape is for. "Anthropic announces Project Disarm, a new model designed for 3d printer manufacturers to quickly infer whether the intent of an stl file is a weapon. The printer first submits the job to the cloud, and only after it's approved will it print." Not that I want this future, just that I can imagine it.

When I was a kid I saw someone with a makeshift shotgun made out of a steel pipe, a strong spring, and and a rough striker. Not very effective, but it was working.
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