Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

California AB 2047 makes 3D printers off-limits to students, educators, business

the3dprintingnerd.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

41–50 of 222 posts

Re: California AB 2047 makes 3D printers off-limits to students, educators, business

#41

Post by arjie »

mc32 wrote: post #7

Why does California since Arnold left office feel the need to regulate above the average other states regulate? [in fairness gov Brown would veto some of the crazier ideas that arrived at his desk] Why do the pols feel like they have to pick fights in so many places? I doubt there’s a majority of voters who want this.

Well, from the point of view of Californian politicians, was it their anti-balance-billing AB72 that was over-regulation before No Surprises Act? Or the CCPA? Or the Auto-Renewal Law? And looking back even farther: was it CalOPPA that was overreach requiring privacy policies? Paid family leave and sick leave?

Some made life hard for Californians like the CARB gasoline blend requirement but I think if you proposed removing any of those laws you'd find yourself downvoted here and called a corporate bootlicker on Reddit - which is not a poll of all people but should give you an idea of the fact that they're not unpopular.

Re: California AB 2047 makes 3D printers off-limits to students, educators, business

#43

Post by guelo »

mc32 wrote: post #7

Why does California since Arnold left office feel the need to regulate above the average other states regulate? [in fairness gov Brown would veto some of the crazier ideas that arrived at his desk] Why do the pols feel like they have to pick fights in so many places? I doubt there’s a majority of voters who want this.

The last time California Republicans had some power around 2009-12 they used it to manufacture crises and shut down the government. Since then voters have shut them out of power, including by passing 2010's Prop 25 which stripped the minority of the 2/3 veto they used to have.

Re: California AB 2047 makes 3D printers off-limits to students, educators, business

#44

Post by vlian2088 »

NDlurker wrote: post #9
vlian2088 wrote: post #5

why do your states constantly behave as if they are sovereign nations?

I can't tell if this is a joke or a serious question.

I'm seriously questioning the absurdity of banning something that remains available a 15-minute drive away, behind a purely informal border. I don't think, for example, that recent abortion bans had reduced the number of abortions in their respective states to zero.

Re: California AB 2047 makes 3D printers off-limits to students, educators, business

#45

Post by deckar01 »

I tried to photo copy a dollar bill when I was a kid on a dinky inkjet printer. It printed half way then spit out something about counterfeit prevention. I scanned the bill, printed the top half, fed the paper back in, and printed the bottom half. This can only actually stop the completely unmotivated.

Re: California AB 2047 makes 3D printers off-limits to students, educators, business

#47

Post by ryandrake »

umvi wrote: post #28

> The required technology is not possible - 3D printers read code, not intent; they cannot tell what a shape is for. "Anthropic announces Project Disarm, a new model designed for 3d printer manufacturers to quickly infer whether the intent of an stl file is a weapon. The printer first submits the job to the cloud, and only after it's approved will it print." Not that I want this future, just that I can imagine it.

The future is almost certainly the terrible path: "applications phoning home to judge whether a use case is approved by the company." All writing is on the wall, and directionally that's the way software and hardware has been moving. We have unfortunately normalized the idea that users must have this ongoing tethered relationship to the product manufacturers and software developers, who measure, change, and control the user's usage at their whim.

You can no longer just buy a tool and use it.

Re: California AB 2047 makes 3D printers off-limits to students, educators, business

#48

Post by warumdarum »

umvi wrote: post #28

> The required technology is not possible - 3D printers read code, not intent; they cannot tell what a shape is for. "Anthropic announces Project Disarm, a new model designed for 3d printer manufacturers to quickly infer whether the intent of an stl file is a weapon. The printer first submits the job to the cloud, and only after it's approved will it print." Not that I want this future, just that I can imagine it.

Finally a llm trained on manufacturing weapons. "AI remove all the safe metal from a lower reciever so that the dangerous part can be safely destroyed without endangering the environment "

Re: California AB 2047 makes 3D printers off-limits to students, educators, business

#49

Post by mvdtnz »

guelo wrote: post #23

Photocopiers and printers have included anti-counterfeiting tech for decades, so there is precedent for this kind of thing. And this is addressing a real growing problem: https://www.cbsnews.com/sanfrancisco/news/santa-rosa-167-gun... https://da.santaclaracounty.gov/da-task-force-seizes-ghost-g... https://www.vvng.com/3d-printed-firearm-recovered-after-man-...

Until America bans actual guns I don't want to hear about the "growing problem" of 3D printed guns.

Re: California AB 2047 makes 3D printers off-limits to students, educators, business

#50

Post by bri3d »

smt88 wrote: post #13
monax wrote: post #11

Next they will ban hardware store ? Because you could make a weapon with that pipe

For a long time, you couldn’t buy “strike anywhere” matches because they could be used in producing meth.

I am not aware of this being a regulatory matter in any state, California included. Retailers choose not to carry them because they are expensive to ship due to their hazardous materials classification and an attractive theft / crime target due to their (inaccurate) drug association, but it hasn’t led to any blanket regulation at any state level that I know of. I do think they’re banned from workplaces in California though, but that’s because they’re dangerous, not because of meth.
Post reply on HN