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The worthlessness of Vitamin D is mildly exaggerated

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Re: The worthlessness of Vitamin D is mildly exaggerated

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Your body needs vitamins in order to form complex aminos to operate. But your body only needs to make so many of them - especially if you are an adult, not pregnant, or not suffering from a disease of some sort. The very premise that loading up your body with "excess" vitamins beyond what you need is already pretty fraught. Building a house without enough lumber can lead to long term deficiency - but loading up a con…

There would still be a ton of goiters if not for iodized salt, basically an obligatory vitamin intake. People had no good iodine source living inland where most anything they catch or grow is not going to have sufficient iodine no matter what it is they were eating. I'm not sure what the ancestral iodine source might have been. Fishing villages perhaps along the coast? Hard to say how much coast was relatively popula…

It takes a pretty extreme iodine deficiency to end up with goiters. In most environments, there's enough in the soil that eating local plants / animals that eat those plants supplies enough.

The iodine deficiency issues that haunted the Swiss (and Appalachia) arose from people settling down from nomadic lifestyles, in mountainous regions that easily were leeched of iodine by rainfall, and then farming that already leeched soil until there wasn't any iodine left at all.

Re: The worthlessness of Vitamin D is mildly exaggerated

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

On a slight tangent, if people are unaware, you can pay for and get just about any lab test without a prescription in the United States.

My PCP uses Quest Diagnostics and a vitamin d test is, I think, about $50. No fasting needed for it, nor prescription.

Direct link to buy:

https://www.questhealth.com/product/vitamin-d-test/17306M.ht...

Definitely not the cheapest place to order the test from, but it will get the job done.

Re: The worthlessness of Vitamin D is mildly exaggerated

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Not in the field, but every time vitamin D studies come up I am reminded of the one that called out how current recommendations are based on faulty math (confusion on how to combine different sized studies confidence ranges ) and miss the mark significantly (and a lot of studies are based on those recommendations...)

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5541280/

Re: The worthlessness of Vitamin D is mildly exaggerated

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Just mildy exaggerated? Is this a joke article? If you don't achieve a suitable level, health will suffer immensely, even permanently. There are no ifs and buts. People who say otherwise work for the medical industrial complex and will get you killed. Note that adequate magnesium is critical for proper vitamin D function, but the article doesn't document it.

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Re: The worthlessness of Vitamin D is mildly exaggerated

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post #59

Just mildy exaggerated? Is this a joke article? If you don't achieve a suitable level, health will suffer immensely, even permanently. There are no ifs and buts. People who say otherwise work for the medical industrial complex and will get you killed. Note that adequate magnesium is critical for proper vitamin D function, but the article doesn't document it.

Same for breathing oxygen, if you don't get it you'll die, but for most people oxygen supplementation would not be worth even knowing about.

That's an absurd analogy. Vitamin D is a vitamin that is in large part derived from significant sunlight exposure. Vitamins are essential by definition. Sunlight exposure is highly insufficient by historical standards. This is why supplementation is absolutely necessary in almost everyone who is not a full time outdoor worker.

In contrast, the air contains oxygen which is sufficient for most people with normal lung function.

Re: The worthlessness of Vitamin D is mildly exaggerated

#77

Your body needs vitamins in order to form complex aminos to operate. But your body only needs to make so many of them - especially if you are an adult, not pregnant, or not suffering from a disease of some sort. The very premise that loading up your body with "excess" vitamins beyond what you need is already pretty fraught. Building a house without enough lumber can lead to long term deficiency - but loading up a con…

These days it is same with protein... Too much protein fads.

Yeah, you do need daily protein but for most people nowhere near as much as they are taking in.

You see these protein bars and some of them basically have a full days worth of the stuff and that is before your other meals come in.

There is the YouTube channel 'Subway takes' where people have about a minute to argue a point of view, usually very funny takes as well. There was one that was 'The Protein fad is basically an eating disorder for men', they aren't far off the mark with that.

Re: The worthlessness of Vitamin D is mildly exaggerated

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Not in the field, but every time vitamin D studies come up I am reminded of the one that called out how current recommendations are based on faulty math (confusion on how to combine different sized studies confidence ranges ) and miss the mark significantly (and a lot of studies are based on those recommendations...) https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5541280/

To save people the click: the study says that the recommended vitamin D intake is much too low.

Re: The worthlessness of Vitamin D is mildly exaggerated

#79
post #30

> For a while there, many people thought vitamin D was magical I never heard that in Germany. I only heard that if you use certain medications like cortisone that vitamin d could be problematic. Most doctors will give vitamin d supplements when prescribing cortisone, at least in Germany.

Just two borders away, in Hungary, I've heard plenty of "magical vitamin D" tales. Tired? Take some D. Depressed? Take some D. Leg hurts? Take some D.

I do take it in the winter, but I'm quite skeptical regarding the panacea hype.

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