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Mexican government unveils a prototype for a new homegrown, ultra-affordable EV

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Or you own more than vehicle. Plenty of families own multiple vehicles, and they don't all need to have tons of range.

At $8500, I could justify having a 77 mile range electric car with a top speed of 30ish mph. That would take care of every in-town trip, but I couldn't do a full commute to work with it because the most sensible way of doing that involves a highway. If it could manage 50mph for 15 minutes, it could go on the highway and I could recharge at or near the office. The cheapest EV currently available in the US is the Chevy…

> The cheapest EV currently available in the US is the Chevy Bolt, at $29000

The interesting thing is that this appears to be largely because the manufacturers, rightly or wrongly, do not think that the US market _wants_ cheaper EVs. The id.Polo (about 20k with incentives in most countries) won't launch in the US, for instance, even though the id.4 did.

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If you have a charger at home, or at work, why does it matter if you have to charge it daily or weekly? Yes, for some lifestyles, range matters. For others, a 125 km range is perfectly acceptable

For a significant segment of the US population, that thing wouldn't get them to work and back, so they'd have to charge it both at home and at work. And in many cases, forget running any errands, picking up kids from daycare, etc. And minimum speed on US interstates is typically 40mph, so that reduces its usability even more.

> For a significant segment of the US population, that thing wouldn't get them to work and back, so they'd have to charge it both at home and at work.

What does 'significant' mean here? I find it hard to imagine that a _large_ number of people have a round-trip of like 100km to work; that would be horrendous.

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28% of trips are under a mile, 52% under three, 64% under five, 79% under ten, 93% under twenty-five, and 98% under 50 miles.

This is the kind of misleading fact that motivated me to make my post. (Former 2014 Leaf leaseholder.) Americans buy the car for the 1% trips. In my case, most of my car trips are short, but most of my milage is from long-range trips. What's more informative is this post that explains Mexican driving behavior: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48634740

> Americans buy the car for the 1% trips. In my case, most of my car trips are short, but most of my milage is from long-range trips.

How many of these long trips are you making? Depending on number might be more economical just to rent for that.

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There is no way Olina will make it to market. It is another of the demagogic populist government's projects.

Personally, I'm very happy about the increasingly competitive EV market. Hopefully they will start exporting those to the British market. Don't we all love cheap things?

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The US didn't go from #1 in global auto manufacturing to nearing extinction on accident. The companies shifted production abroad because they didn't want to pay for US labor. We can't just pray for "development" to spark a chain reaction that gets us back on track - we were the most developed and consciously chose to squander that advantage. Onshoring can be done, but it will have a real cost someone will have to bea…

> The companies shifted production abroad because they didn't want to pay for US labor. That's not true. Reality is far more nuanced than that. Sadly, it is the equivalent of a bunch of Dodo birds falling off a cliff. And this applies to every industry, not just automobiles. The simplified version goes something like this: Three companies manufacture forks and knives in the US. They share the market equally. Each has…

How is this not a longer way of saying companies didn’t want to pay for American labour?

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The US didn't go from #1 in global auto manufacturing to nearing extinction on accident. The companies shifted production abroad because they didn't want to pay for US labor. We can't just pray for "development" to spark a chain reaction that gets us back on track - we were the most developed and consciously chose to squander that advantage. Onshoring can be done, but it will have a real cost someone will have to bea…

> The companies shifted production abroad because they didn't want to pay for US labor Realistically it’s the consumers who didn’t want to pay for it

Customers will always aim for the best quality/price combination that they can get though.

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For a significant segment of the US population, that thing wouldn't get them to work and back, so they'd have to charge it both at home and at work. And in many cases, forget running any errands, picking up kids from daycare, etc. And minimum speed on US interstates is typically 40mph, so that reduces its usability even more.

> For a significant segment of the US population, that thing wouldn't get them to work and back, so they'd have to charge it both at home and at work. What does 'significant' mean here? I find it hard to imagine that a _large_ number of people have a round-trip of like 100km to work; that would be horrendous.

Really? that's a bit over 30 miles each way. It doesn't sound at all unusual to me.

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I think people are misunderstanding. This is a car for Mexico, nothing to do with the US. On the website it says it's a car "designed in Mexico for Mexico" https://www.olinia.auto/

It's funny how we Americans jump to judging this vehicle by our own needs.

I would happily buy this and drive it if the US government let us.

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> But two weeks after the war starts, countermeasures will be created. The vehicles will be changed to make them harder to find, and harder to kill. A small drone will be rendered ineffective by small countermeasures Where did you get this? Nobody solved FPV's in four years, why do you think US or any other country will solve it in two weeks? "small drone will be rendered ineffective by small countermeasures" – only…

Not solved. Made less effective. So it takes 100 of them to make any military effect. The thousands and thousands of FPV drones being used have not been decisive on the battlefield. The war is a slog, and resembles WWI more than WWII.

You don't know what you're talking about.

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Tariff is probably the easiest path forward. You'll need to pay workers more to make D) work. That cuts into margins. That means it's DOA.

GM has had like what, 1.5% net profit in 2025?

It wouldn't matter if it was 50%. Shareholders have the expectation of the number getting bigger every 90 days in perpetuity. If you want better vehicles to increase sales and compete better against international competition, you need to have the rank-and-file feeling like their work will matter not just for the company, but for them too. That's diametrically opposed to the number getting bigger.
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