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Mexican government unveils a prototype for a new homegrown, ultra-affordable EV

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apparent wrote: post #19
Rotdhizon wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know absolutely nothing about Mexico in terms of geography or driving so I wonder how feasible an EV that you presumably constantly have to charge is going to fare. In the US, a range of 77 miles is a complete non starter. You'd have to charge it every single day. If not multiple times a day in some peoples cases. It's interesting that info about the car is only half the article. The other half is a commentary on h…

> In the US, a range of 77 miles is a complete non starter. You'd have to charge it every single day. If not multiple times a day in some peoples cases. It's true that some people drive more than 77 miles per day. But a pretty big chunk of people never do, except road trips/vacations. It could easily be worth it to buy a cheap EV for everyday use and then rent a vehicle for long trips.

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Post by thelastgallon »

Rotdhizon wrote: post #9
gwbas1c wrote: post #3

> It remains to be seen whether the Olinia One will face similar pushback from the U.S. once it goes on sale. > can travel up to 125 kilometers (77 miles) on a single charge The US market generally rejects small-range EVs, except in very niche markets. In order to succeed in the US, it will need roughly 3-4x the range. In order for this to succeed in Mexico, their market will need different driving habits than the ty…

I know absolutely nothing about Mexico in terms of geography or driving so I wonder how feasible an EV that you presumably constantly have to charge is going to fare. In the US, a range of 77 miles is a complete non starter. You'd have to charge it every single day. If not multiple times a day in some peoples cases. It's interesting that info about the car is only half the article. The other half is a commentary on h…

28% of trips are under a mile, 52% under three, 64% under five, 79% under ten, 93% under twenty-five, and 98% under 50 miles.

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Post by initramfs »

"The car’s unvieling comes as some countries around the world continue to push EV adoption with better and more affordable options. The U.S., however, has taken the opposite track."

Lol, so true. I honestly don't mind waiting for an electric car since I hope to get more mileage out of my current one. If it lasts 10 more years, all the better.

The cars available then should be far better (other than new things I might not want- e.g. more automation).

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Post by formerly_proven »

adjejmxbdjdn wrote: post #73
GenerWork wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I see this take on SUVs all the time, and I can't help but think it's wrong. Americans just like bigger vehicles and will downsize if gas gets too expensive. There's a reason almost all electric car companies start off with a CUV/SUV/truck, and it's not because they're allergic to sedans or coupes.

- Tesla, the most prominent and successful EV company, didn’t start with a truck. - Neither did all the attempts at EVs from other competitors in the 2010s, like the GM Bolt/Volt or the Nissan Leaf. - But you’re not wrong, that today EV companies usually start with SUVs/CUVs, but that’s because a larger chassis makes it easier to include a large enough battery.

They're mostly CUVs and above because fitting sedan seating into a CUV-shaped body frees up the height you need for a battery. Western OEM batteries were usually tall because they mostly used large-format pouch cells, because that promised the highest performance and lowest cost (spoiler: recalls are expensive).

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Post by thelastgallon »

Rotdhizon wrote: post #9
gwbas1c wrote: post #3

> It remains to be seen whether the Olinia One will face similar pushback from the U.S. once it goes on sale. > can travel up to 125 kilometers (77 miles) on a single charge The US market generally rejects small-range EVs, except in very niche markets. In order to succeed in the US, it will need roughly 3-4x the range. In order for this to succeed in Mexico, their market will need different driving habits than the ty…

I know absolutely nothing about Mexico in terms of geography or driving so I wonder how feasible an EV that you presumably constantly have to charge is going to fare. In the US, a range of 77 miles is a complete non starter. You'd have to charge it every single day. If not multiple times a day in some peoples cases. It's interesting that info about the car is only half the article. The other half is a commentary on h…

> You'd have to charge it every single day. If not multiple times a day in some peoples cases.

Charging is not a problem when a car is stationary. It is parked next to a building, building usually has electricity (unless you are Amish).

I don't know why most people don't understand electricity is available everywhere, but petrol is only available at gas stations. You have to somewhere to pump gas, a major inconvenience.

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Post by pragma_x »

brianfryer wrote: post #116
yellowapple wrote: post #107

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> The Ford CEO is not wrong. Allowing foreign imports into the country at prices far below what US producers are able to make will decimate the local car industry in the US. The local car industry in the US is doing that to itself by dragging its feet on EVs in the US market even when the very same companies are selling EVs outside of the US. Ford, for example, has an EV Bronco that's inexplicably only available in C…

I’m interested in understanding more about what gives you the impression “that [an EV Bronco would] sell like gangbusters here in the US”.

Not GP, but for starters, the MSRP for that car in China is $32k.

https://www.carsdb.com/en/news/1476

I get that's an apples-to-oranges comparison, considering that labor and material costs (not to mention subsidies and regulations) are probably not the same. But even at $40k, it would be cost-competitive with other EVs if nothing else.

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Post by formerly_proven »

jollyllama wrote: post #87
bruce511 wrote: post #15

The Ford CEO is not wrong. Allowing foreign imports into the country at prices far below what US producers are able to make will decimate the local car industry in the US. There are 4 possible solutions to this problem; a) convince Americans that it's worth paying more for a locally built product. This is the simplest approach, but there's only so much margin here that the consumer will tolerate. At the moment this g…

> This is one of those "the internet is a fad, it'll never catch on" moments. EV's are here to stay. They're going to win. That's pretty obvious to anyone paying attention. That's not clear at all from the long-term habits of American consumers. Why did Ford, GM, and Stellantis all cut EV investment and increase ICE investment in the last year then?

The US is again exceptional insofar that it is actively pivoting to become a petrostate. Even petrostates have been trying for a while to not be petrostates any more, which could be telling for the US electorate but isn't.

Re: Mexican government unveils a prototype for a new homegrown, ultra-affordable EV

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Post by formerly_proven »

bruce511 wrote: post #98
jollyllama wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This is one of those "the internet is a fad, it'll never catch on" moments. EV's are here to stay. They're going to win. That's pretty obvious to anyone paying attention. That's not clear at all from the long-term habits of American consumers. Why did Ford, GM, and Stellantis all cut EV investment and increase ICE investment in the last year then?

Because they are focused on short term returns, not long-term strategy. In the short term cutting r&d, killing off "not yet profitable" lines etc all lead to improved results this quarter. Who cares about 5 years, or 10 years from now? If you look beyond the US then you see EV market share growing year on year. Yes, the US is resisting hard, but you can't hold back the tide forever. Kodak invented digital photography…

> 50 years from now ICE will be a niche market

EVs are roughly at two thirds market share in the largest car market of the world. The third largest market has them at 20%. Funnily enough, India (4th largest market) is slightly ahead of the US for EV adoption in passenger cars.

ICE cars will be a niche market much more rapidly than 50 years.

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Post by floxy »

dsr_ wrote: post #47
floxy wrote: post #30

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Or you own more than vehicle. Plenty of families own multiple vehicles, and they don't all need to have tons of range.

At $8500, I could justify having a 77 mile range electric car with a top speed of 30ish mph. That would take care of every in-town trip, but I couldn't do a full commute to work with it because the most sensible way of doing that involves a highway. If it could manage 50mph for 15 minutes, it could go on the highway and I could recharge at or near the office. The cheapest EV currently available in the US is the Chevy…

>but still not quite enough to go one way on my most frequent "long drive"

...without a charging stop.

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