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Re: Steam Machine launches today

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So SteamOS is just arch linux? I guess there are important differences?

SteamOS is highly customized and managed by Valve. It doesn't have the Arch repos or pacman. Updates to the OS come from Valve in large releases rather than per package. All apps installed either come through Steam or Flatpak.

So it's Arch in the same way Android could be called Linux.

Re: Steam Machine launches today

#732

> who are we trying to tell you how to use your computer? Valve is still great.

Isn’t this industry standard? How many PCs have locked boot loaders? Edit, reply to Rohansi as I am rate limited, I’m talking about gaming PCs not consoles.

Every iphone, ipad, playstation, xbox, android phone (though there are ways of unlocking), smart TV, smart Fridge. These are all devices that run a full web browser, these aren't appliances they're full personal computers. You can write and run software on them, even if arbitrarily limited in hardware access.

Re: Steam Machine launches today

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I am pleased to see hardware not being locked down as a selling point: > Yes, Steam Machine is optimized for gaming, but it's still your PC. Install your own apps, or even another operating system. Who are we to tell you how to use your computer? It feels very commonsense that you should be able to run whatever you want on the computer that you have purchased, but it is surprisingly uncommon.

Valve gets it. I very much want to support them and vote with my wallet. Unfortunately the Steam machine isn't a good fit for me. I will buy the frame in a heartbeat though. HMD with a FOSS OS? That's in its own class.

And yet Steam Controller somehow only works with Steam...

Re: Steam Machine launches today

#734

Why all USB-A ports instead of USB-C? (I counted 4 USB-A and just one USB-C.)

Budget reasons would be my guess. The USB-C port here is 10 gbit while the USB-A ports on the machine are USB 2.0(front) and 5gbit(rear) speeds.

While they could have and imo should have just put usb 2.0 C ports on it, users have an expectation that USB-C ports are fully functional high speed ports. On most machines you can plug something in to any USB-C port on a device and they all work the same.

Re: Steam Machine launches today

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post #293

What is the appeal of Steam Machine as a dedicated gaming device? Isn't it going to be old in a few years and then you have to get rid of it because upgrading components isn't a viable option? Isn't that quite the opposite of anything that deserves to be associated with them term "hacker"?

> Isn't it going to be old in a few years and then you have to get rid of it because upgrading components isn't a viable option? I expect to get the rest of this decade out of my Steam Deck so IDK, very different to my normal expectations for a computer. The Steam Deck also defines a floor that will allow compatible games to be very performant on the Steam Machine so I think that will help the Steam Machine have a de…

I fully believe that the current PC hardware should be able to play essentially any game for a very long time. And the only reason we are being pushed to upgrade is because games are pushing poorly optimized graphics with mandatory features like ray tracing. No game play experience is impossible to achieve on the steam deck level hardware.

I'm hopeful that with the insane hardware prices right now, studios will be forced to actually make their games work on older hardware.

Re: Steam Machine launches today

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post #509

Earlier quoted context omitted.

and it makes Steam Deck the best console ever made. i picked up Darksiders 3 a few weeks ago to play on my deck. at some point i realized i was pretty underleveled but i didn’t wanna grind. so, opened chatgpt in desktop mode and uploaded my save, asked it to write me a script to set my souls/xp/money to whatever number. it analyzed the save and spat out a bash/python script. after a chmod +x it worked flawlessly. don…

The steam deck is way too under-powered to be "the best console". Best handheld, maybe, if you really value portability.

crysis runs great

Re: Steam Machine launches today

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> Steam Machine, like our other hardware products, is made up of many components that we source from manufacturers around the world. The price at which we sell our hardware is a direct result of the cost of these components. We felt like we had a good understanding of how those costs might change over time when we first started sourcing them for Steam Machine back in 2023. That understanding was born from the many ye…

Valve's communication around this release has redirected all rage towards Sam Altman rather than the Steam Machine.

That's the beauty of the "There are a variety of reasons" part, whatever you believe to be the reason, Valve seems to agree with you, biases or not.

Re: Steam Machine launches today

#738

I am pleased to see hardware not being locked down as a selling point: > Yes, Steam Machine is optimized for gaming, but it's still your PC. Install your own apps, or even another operating system. Who are we to tell you how to use your computer? It feels very commonsense that you should be able to run whatever you want on the computer that you have purchased, but it is surprisingly uncommon.

Reminds me of the PS3 and its OtherOS feature.

Re: Steam Machine launches today

#739

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They need to do that because, in some sense, they're competing with Gaming PCs, not really with Gaming consoles. Gaming consoles sell their consoles at a discounted price because they can recoup a lot of it when selling games. Steam can't have a markup on games because they share their marketplace with other PCs.

Can you point me to any statement that any current console is being sold at a loss? All I've seen is that everyone is doing at cost nowadays. The PS4 Pro was the last subsidized console.

Sony have admitted to selling the PS5 at a loss during the first 8 months of sales. Even when they announced the $499 disc drive SKU was no longer selling at a loss, they admitted the $399 SKU still cost more to make than it sold for. Things are no doubt different today, but Sony absolutely subsidized the PS5 at launch.

> https://www.pcmag.com/news/sony-says-499-ps5-no-longer-sells...

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