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Re: Jobs and Software Is Fucked

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Post by echelon »

InsideOutSanta wrote: post #134
mynameisbilly wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I guess I'm just confused by this sentiment. Are you making these conclusions while considering the fact that AI is still heavily subsidized? The economics of AI isn't quite the same as other software/tech. I don't think it's going anywhere, but I don't know what happens when prices start to rise because these companies need to start turning a profit.

I'm happy using GLM 5.2 at API pricing. There will never be a point where essentially unlimited usage (i.e. what I, as a normal developer, can use at peak effort) of extremely good models will become financially unattainable.

> There will never be a point where essentially unlimited usage (i.e. what I, as a normal developer, can use at peak effort) of extremely good models will become financially unattainable.

The way you phrase this prevents refutation. But there will be a point where ordinary individuals cannot participate in the majority of the upside.

In the future, some class of models will require enormous compute that is outside the financial capital capability of ordinary individual contributors, middle class, and upper middle class. This will be sold as a capability to well-funded companies.

Re: Jobs and Software Is Fucked

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Post by LastTrain »

moralestapia wrote: post #77
VonGuard wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The author is coming from the games industry. As an arts based industry, AI is EXTREMELY divisive. The author really will lose friends over even so much as touching AI in certain ways, because the artists that built the games industry were already badly abused, and now, they're being squeezed out entirely. For business developers, AI is somewhat less existentially terrifying, as it can be seen to be really empowering…

Arts or no arts companies hire you to do X, not to make friends. If you stop doing X you will be fired/not-hired, simple as. You can make friends on your free time.

Oh my gosh I’ve worked with so many of you!

Re: Jobs and Software Is Fucked

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Post by blitzar »

zetsurin wrote: post #135
themgt wrote: post #17

It's not like the job market was that much better before AI infested every single corner of the market, but it supercharged all of the worst aspects of everything. I've seen people supposedly smarter than I advocate for just giving in, conceding to AI coding as it's the future. But doing so means tossing out my friends who make art or the people who work their asses off to properly test and review code or the writers…

>Now, if you're on me and you gotta move when I move, how do you expect to keep a...a tech stack?

> What are you a monk?

Re: Jobs and Software Is Fucked

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Post by iLoveOncall »

Exoristos wrote: post #80
iLoveOncall wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Curious about the perspective from anyone who has a skill set / reputation where finding jobs is easy right now. It's easy to find jobs in software engineering provided you have an attractive resume.

What, in your evaluation, are the top two or three attributes of an attractive resume?

There's only one: you work at a top-tier company.

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Post by ponector »

fl4regun wrote: post #51
tern wrote: post #7

Curious about the perspective from anyone who has a skill set / reputation where finding jobs is easy right now. I imagine people in ML or who've found a good way to demonstrate prowess with agentic systems may be highly in demand right now(?)

I work in an industry tangentially involved with the ML build-out (think companies like Broadcom, Marvell, etc.). We can't find enough people, if you have like 3+ years of experience with PCIe, Ethernet, DDR, you're a shoe in. Verification, Validation, Design, Customer Applications, Firmware, you name it, we need it. The pay is good too, especially for people who got in a year ago or more, stock base compensation has…

If you cannot find enough people in current market then pay is not that good as you think.

Re: Jobs and Software Is Fucked

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Post by 8b16380d »

lenerdenator wrote: post #101
celltalk wrote: post #36

Two weeks ago, I got 100/100 of a test from a big company for a first screening without using AI. I was pretty confident that I would pass the first round, even hinted few of my friends, but ended up being rejected with an automated mail… The job market is insane at this point and I am not sure what the recruiters are actually looking for. If the candidate uses AI they’re eliminated, if not they’re eliminated. I gues…

> The job market is insane at this point and I am not sure what the recruiters are actually looking for. To justify their own jobs. In theory there's never been a better time to hire on SWE talent. There are lots and lots of candidates who rode high during the COVID hiring wave, took on debt based on a high income, got fired, and now need money. But hiring isn't picking up. You have a bunch of people in the HR indust…

I was just involved in the hiring process for a new rec on a team adjacent to mine, and the HR/screening process was a complete mystery as to candidate filtering for outside applicants. So many AI tools making arbitrary judgments from resume content to psychological profiles of candidates, led us to 0 organic people “qualified” enough to interview for an SRE/Devops role. All we hire now is referrals as they are the only ones to get pass automated screening

Re: Jobs and Software Is Fucked

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Post by drdaeman »

nekusar wrote: post #147
VonGuard wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The author is coming from the games industry. As an arts based industry, AI is EXTREMELY divisive. The author really will lose friends over even so much as touching AI in certain ways, because the artists that built the games industry were already badly abused, and now, they're being squeezed out entirely. For business developers, AI is somewhat less existentially terrifying, as it can be seen to be really empowering…

What gets me is that LLM writing has an inhuman voice. Of course we know the tells. Not only this, but that. You're exactly right! — The woman and man AI voice endemic to YouTube and ilk is also tremendously off putting. M5Stack has a bunch of these videos, and it devalues what they're doing. And then... Transformer "art". It is some of the worst drek I've seen. I smell it a mile away. It's easily seen by slop englis…

> I'm completely sure management LOVES it cause its cheap and devalues humans.

And the tragic bit is that instead of educating them about the pitfalls so everyone's on the same page, a lot of brave hotheads are literally calling for a class war

Re: Jobs and Software Is Fucked

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Post by kekdududjneeh »

atleastoptimal wrote: post #120
themgt wrote: post #17

It's not like the job market was that much better before AI infested every single corner of the market, but it supercharged all of the worst aspects of everything. I've seen people supposedly smarter than I advocate for just giving in, conceding to AI coding as it's the future. But doing so means tossing out my friends who make art or the people who work their asses off to properly test and review code or the writers…

Yes, sadly the most principled will have to contend with the world passing them by when it turns out those principles are dead weight to capital momentum. You could have made the same point during the dawn of the industrial revolution: that purchasing any product of a machine would be betraying your friends who have spent years honing their craft, but either way, people will still opt for the machine because it's 10x…

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Re: Jobs and Software Is Fucked

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Post by gafferongames »

AlexandrB wrote: post #145
VonGuard wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The author is coming from the games industry. As an arts based industry, AI is EXTREMELY divisive. The author really will lose friends over even so much as touching AI in certain ways, because the artists that built the games industry were already badly abused, and now, they're being squeezed out entirely. For business developers, AI is somewhat less existentially terrifying, as it can be seen to be really empowering…

Everyone in the games industry is badly abused. Mostly because so many want to go into it. And yet game publishers continue to struggle with profitability because budgets have ballooned. I honestly think there's just not enough room in the market for the number of game studios we have today, at least not unless management improves and gets costs under control.

The beatings will continue until management improves and gets costs under control.

Re: Jobs and Software Is Fucked

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Post by Exoristos »

scotty79 wrote: post #42

Freelance? Find someone who needs or wants a thing done, but doesn't know how to do it, then do it for them. Take half of the money upfront.

I'm transitioning to freelance (independent consultant, full stack and Cloud), and I find I'm working alongside AI in business manager's hands. It's an uncanny mode of competition.
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