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Re: Jobs and Software Is Fucked

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Post by AIorNot »

bananamogul wrote: post #25
themgt wrote: post #17

It's not like the job market was that much better before AI infested every single corner of the market, but it supercharged all of the worst aspects of everything. I've seen people supposedly smarter than I advocate for just giving in, conceding to AI coding as it's the future. But doing so means tossing out my friends who make art or the people who work their asses off to properly test and review code or the writers…

That quote from Heat (1995) is so deployable in so many different contexts.

the irony is that McCauley (DeNiro) doesn't actually follow his macho adage as the movie shows in the end..same goes for real developers.

Re: Jobs and Software Is Fucked

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Post by mynameisbilly »

bayarearefugee wrote: post #93
echelon wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You will not have a job in software in the future if you refuse to use AI. I fully stand behind that prediction. edit: despite the downvotes, I'll double down: most of today's software jobs will disappear. Your job , if it is in software, will disappear. It might transform into something new, if you're lucky. Or it might just go away entirely.

For the vast majority of people who currently have a job in software... you will not have a job in software in the future whether you use AI or not. The tide is coming for almost all of us.

I guess I'm just confused by this sentiment. Are you making these conclusions while considering the fact that AI is still heavily subsidized? The economics of AI isn't quite the same as other software/tech.

I don't think it's going anywhere, but I don't know what happens when prices start to rise because these companies need to start turning a profit.

Re: Jobs and Software Is Fucked

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Post by GTP »

moralestapia wrote: post #77
VonGuard wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The author is coming from the games industry. As an arts based industry, AI is EXTREMELY divisive. The author really will lose friends over even so much as touching AI in certain ways, because the artists that built the games industry were already badly abused, and now, they're being squeezed out entirely. For business developers, AI is somewhat less existentially terrifying, as it can be seen to be really empowering…

Arts or no arts companies hire you to do X, not to make friends. If you stop doing X you will be fired/not-hired, simple as. You can make friends on your free time.

Go tell HR that you don't give a shit about your coworkers ;)

Re: Jobs and Software Is Fucked

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Post by em-bee »

scotty79 wrote: post #42

Freelance? Find someone who needs or wants a thing done, but doesn't know how to do it, then do it for them. Take half of the money upfront.

most of those who might hire someone because they don't know how to do it are now using AI instead. so that market is shrinking too.

Re: Jobs and Software Is Fucked

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Post by NetOpWibby »

GolDDranks wrote: post #83

I am currently quitting a company of 10 years of employment. And I keep hearing how everything's shit. Btw. I'm located in Tokyo where it isn't as bad, apparently, but... Let's see. My plan: - Have my own company and start looking for customers. (Rust consulting) - Keep looking for job opportunities, but don't succumb for shit jobs. It might be that I'm too hopeful, but you can't know unless you try. Anyway, I may jo…

Best of luck!

Re: Jobs and Software Is Fucked

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Post by aurareturn »

nsingh2 wrote: post #97
aurareturn wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's advice for people who are unemployed and are competing with others for work.

No one really goes into an interview speaking about politics, or propaganda, or unionizing. So there isn't much signal in telling people to not do that, most already bend over backwards to look like an ideal candidate. Telling people to have a good attitude is easy to say, hard to do when you've been applying for 6+ months with no response and bills to pay. Unfortunately, the advice that's most likely to help is some…

  No one really goes into an interview speaking about politics, or propaganda, or unionizing.
They don't but humans are extremely good at picking up unspoken language. Not only that, employers and hiring managers will look you up, read your blogs, read your social media posts, and call your ex employers.

Re: Jobs and Software Is Fucked

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Post by forgetfreeman »

alephnerd wrote: post #91
braden-lk wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just to +1 the sentiment here; AI in the gaming industry is absolutely a culture war front. Especially in the indie space, you will lose advertising deals with many sponsors & influencers, for example, if you appear to endorse AI. Probably won't be that way forever, but it's a hotbed right now.

Meanwhile, Asian studios are much more open to experimenting with AI workflows, and will eventually build the next generation of Niantics and AppLovins if this neo-ludditism continues. Heck, 50% of all Japanese game studios [0] along with all of China's largest studios [1] now use AI within their development pipeline - often with explicit state backing. You may not like Blizzard or Ubisoft but Tencent, Sony, miHoYo,…

"will eventually build the next generation of Niantics and AppLovins"

Why should that be a relevant concern? It's not like any of us will be working in game dev if AI wins.

Re: Jobs and Software Is Fucked

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Post by goatherders »

AIorNot wrote: post #111
bananamogul wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That quote from Heat (1995) is so deployable in so many different contexts.

the irony is that McCauley (DeNiro) doesn't actually follow his macho adage as the movie shows in the end..same goes for real developers.

Thats the point of the movie: the organized and disciplined leader didnt follow his own advice while the hot-head reckless gambling degenerate did.

Re: Jobs and Software Is Fucked

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Post by atleastoptimal »

themgt wrote: post #17

It's not like the job market was that much better before AI infested every single corner of the market, but it supercharged all of the worst aspects of everything. I've seen people supposedly smarter than I advocate for just giving in, conceding to AI coding as it's the future. But doing so means tossing out my friends who make art or the people who work their asses off to properly test and review code or the writers…

Yes, sadly the most principled will have to contend with the world passing them by when it turns out those principles are dead weight to capital momentum. You could have made the same point during the dawn of the industrial revolution: that purchasing any product of a machine would be betraying your friends who have spent years honing their craft, but either way, people will still opt for the machine because it's 10x cheaper and faster.

AI is good enough now that you can't claim that you aren't using it because you're upholding some higher standard of quality. It is simply a matter of it offending your sensibilities.

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