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Re: Jobs and Software Is Fucked

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Post by alephnerd »

braden-lk wrote: post #66
semiquaver wrote: post #31

> I've seen people supposedly smarter than I advocate for just giving in, conceding to AI coding as it's the future. But doing so means tossing out my friends who make art or the people who work their asses off to properly test and review code or the writers pouring all of their energy into even mundane dialogue. It means throwing out my dignity Conflating things in this inflammatory way is a big mistake. Using a tec…

Just to +1 the sentiment here; AI in the gaming industry is absolutely a culture war front. Especially in the indie space, you will lose advertising deals with many sponsors & influencers, for example, if you appear to endorse AI. Probably won't be that way forever, but it's a hotbed right now.

Meanwhile, Asian studios are much more open to experimenting with AI workflows, and will eventually build the next generation of Niantics and AppLovins if this neo-ludditism continues.

Heck, 50% of all Japanese game studios [0] along with all of China's largest studios [1] now use AI within their development pipeline - often with explicit state backing.

You may not like Blizzard or Ubisoft but Tencent, Sony, miHoYo, and even Nintendo are much worse from a work culture, compensation, and work expectation perspective.

[0] - https://www.nikkei.com/article/DGXZQOUF251PU0V20C25A9000000/...

[1] - https://www.scmp.com/tech/tech-trends/article/3341063/next-l...

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> Why should that be a relevant concern? It's not like any of us will be working in game dev if AI wins.

Becuase AI is not taking all jobs. Yes a lot of redundant work will go away, but there is still a real need for human intervention, monkeypatching, and ingenuity.

The North American gaming industry only exists because the entire ecosystem from AdTech to Engines to Marketplaces exists to develop, finance, and distribute IP.

If you stay frozen in the past, you eventually get outcompeted and the ecosystem will leave. And unlike the automotive industry, game devs aren't a core voting bloc.

This is what happened to the entire animation industry and is what is happening to the film and television industry. Gaming will be the next IP driven industry to leave if everyone remains frozen and opposed to innovation.

> Maybe (sic) Chines sell tools for artists pitching them as useful rather then "haha this will make you obsolete you looser look at slop I made" middle finger pitch?

The obsolence and cost saving message is true though and used all over Asia - even in China [0][1].

Either you innovate and compete, or you will get trounced. THIS is the cultural mindset back in Asia.

Americans best learn how to compete again.

[0] - https://www.zaobao.com.sg/news/china/story20260622-9245522

[1] - https://m.tech.china.com/articles/20260615/202606151894081.h...

Re: Jobs and Software Is Fucked

#92

Post by moralestapia »

solid_fuel wrote: post #87
moralestapia wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Arts or no arts companies hire you to do X, not to make friends. If you stop doing X you will be fired/not-hired, simple as. You can make friends on your free time.

> Arts or no arts companies hire you to do X, not to make friends. If you stop doing X you will be fired/not-hired, simple as. > You can make friends on your free time. Most well-adjusted people work to live, they don't live to work. Life comes first, the demands of the job come a distant second.

Great!

All the more reason, then, for them to be okay with not being hired.

Re: Jobs and Software Is Fucked

#93

Post by bayarearefugee »

echelon wrote: post #64
iwontberude wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you might not get the context this is coming from, it’s about a game developer laid off from Blizzard not wanting to partake in the technology that will justify layoffs of their friends. Pretty straight forward to me.

You will not have a job in software in the future if you refuse to use AI. I fully stand behind that prediction. edit: despite the downvotes, I'll double down: most of today's software jobs will disappear. Your job , if it is in software, will disappear. It might transform into something new, if you're lucky. Or it might just go away entirely.

For the vast majority of people who currently have a job in software... you will not have a job in software in the future whether you use AI or not.

The tide is coming for almost all of us.

Re: Jobs and Software Is Fucked

#94

Post by colonCapitalDee »

tern wrote: post #7

Curious about the perspective from anyone who has a skill set / reputation where finding jobs is easy right now. I imagine people in ML or who've found a good way to demonstrate prowess with agentic systems may be highly in demand right now(?)

I'm starting a new job in a few weeks, and can confirm (for startups at least) experience with coding agents is something companies are looking for. Multiple companies I interviewed with had a AI assisted interview session to go along with a more typical closed book programming session. I was asked about my use of coding agents in behavioral interviews. I'm not an ML guy, just a generalist SWE with 4 YOE. I only got one offer in my search, but it only took ~a month and I feel pretty good about being able to get more offers with more searching. It helps that I'm young, no dependents, and willing to relocate.

Re: Jobs and Software Is Fucked

#95

Post by amanaplanacanal »

echelon wrote: post #64
iwontberude wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you might not get the context this is coming from, it’s about a game developer laid off from Blizzard not wanting to partake in the technology that will justify layoffs of their friends. Pretty straight forward to me.

You will not have a job in software in the future if you refuse to use AI. I fully stand behind that prediction. edit: despite the downvotes, I'll double down: most of today's software jobs will disappear. Your job , if it is in software, will disappear. It might transform into something new, if you're lucky. Or it might just go away entirely.

What year, and how much money are you willing to bet?

Re: Jobs and Software Is Fucked

#97

Post by nsingh2 »

aurareturn wrote: post #35
nsingh2 wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How does this have anything to do with a sluggish job market? Do you think people are struggling to find jobs because they are too political? One can be a servile dog, and still struggle to land a role, it's not particularly correlated.

It's advice for people who are unemployed and are competing with others for work.

No one really goes into an interview speaking about politics, or propaganda, or unionizing. So there isn't much signal in telling people to not do that, most already bend over backwards to look like an ideal candidate.

Telling people to have a good attitude is easy to say, hard to do when you've been applying for 6+ months with no response and bills to pay.

Unfortunately, the advice that's most likely to help is something everyone already knows. Networking, practice, and luck play a huge role in a environment like this. And cut expenses as much as possible, just in case you need a cash cushion.

Re: Jobs and Software Is Fucked

#98

Post by FrustratedMonky »

I really hope this thread is wrong.

In 5 years, the Junior pipeline will be completely dry.

Seniors will be retiring.

Companies will be floundering.

We'll see a great correction where we need workers again.

Programmers/SE/etc... will be needed again. Always were needed, but at least managers will realize it again.

Re: Jobs and Software Is Fucked

#99

Post by commandlinefan »

scoopdewoop wrote: post #56
aurareturn wrote: post #5

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> No him/her No trans employees? What does that mean? No advocating for yourself at all? No unions? You are ghoulish

Actually, if you interpret his requirement literally, it would suggest that he only accepts trans employees: no him/her, just they/them.

Re: Jobs and Software Is Fucked

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Post by [deleted] »

iwontberude wrote: post #52
semiquaver wrote: post #31

> I've seen people supposedly smarter than I advocate for just giving in, conceding to AI coding as it's the future. But doing so means tossing out my friends who make art or the people who work their asses off to properly test and review code or the writers pouring all of their energy into even mundane dialogue. It means throwing out my dignity Conflating things in this inflammatory way is a big mistake. Using a tec…

I think you might not get the context this is coming from, it’s about a game developer laid off from Blizzard not wanting to partake in the technology that will justify layoffs of their friends. Pretty straight forward to me.

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