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Re: Identity verification on Claude

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Post by asdfsa32 »

Aurornis wrote: post #437
data-ottawa wrote: post #154

The US is really shooting itself in the foot here. The restrictions on LLM models like Fable has created a viable international LLM market where it was difficult to justify investment two weeks ago. As a non-US citizen Opus 4.8 is the best American LLM I will ever have access to. That's no longer up for debate or question. Each month that I pay Anthropic is now a depreciating value -- I'm paying for models I'll never…

Despite what’s being implied everywhere, this ID check page has been there since April. Wayback Machine if you don’t believe me: https://web.archive.org/web/20260415064244/https://support.c... > As a non-US citizen Opus 4.8 is the best American LLM I will ever have access to. That's no longer up for debate or question. This is a crazy conclusion for a situation that isn’t even two weeks old. LLMs are not the first te…

> We’ve had export restrictions on different chips and even cryptography software in the past. It doesn’t last forever.

Yeah, in the long everything will happen, from 1,2,3,4,5, and 6 being the winning Powerball numbers to heat death of the universe, but as the colloquial goes "ain't nobody got time for that!"

Once an institution or person has proven that they will take adverse action against you, it is foolish to bank on them again.

Re: Identity verification on Claude

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Post by [deleted] »

baka367 wrote: post #490
Aurornis wrote: post #437

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Despite what’s being implied everywhere, this ID check page has been there since April. Wayback Machine if you don’t believe me: https://web.archive.org/web/20260415064244/https://support.c... > As a non-US citizen Opus 4.8 is the best American LLM I will ever have access to. That's no longer up for debate or question. This is a crazy conclusion for a situation that isn’t even two weeks old. LLMs are not the first te…

This decision has, effectively, turned LMMs into a supply chain risk. Before this incident I’d gladly use any anthropic LLM in production features. Right now, this has become a risky decision that can tank my business overnight.

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Re: Identity verification on Claude

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Post by asdfsa32 »

ElProlactin wrote: post #571
hoytschermerhrn wrote: post #558

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I’m a US citizen and absolutely will not be uploading additional information just to use a company’s models. This effectively kills my usage of anthropic for anything beyond their 4.8 models.

> I’m a US citizen and absolutely will not be uploading additional information just to use a company’s models. I can't speak to your specific use of Anthropic's models, but I find it interesting that people will identify themselves (to set up and pay for an account) and provide all sorts of personal (and often sensitive if not confidential) information to these models on a daily basis, but balk at a 5-minute identity…

It is because you think the contention is about being identifiable, while that is hardly the case.

Most people understand or at least accept that in order to facilitate payments and a company to follow various laws that are generally understood as "good for all" (like AML and tax avoidance), but require ID to access is not the same.

It is identical to accepting to paying for National Parks car pass or camp ground fees but protesting access fees. Not the same thing.

Re: Identity verification on Claude

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Post by tommit »

mcv wrote: post #612
nozzlegear wrote: post #485

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> banned from accessing Fable by the land of the free It should go without saying, but "the free" in "the land of the free" refers to Americans, not everyone else. Not sure if you were trying to make it sound like a great irony that "the land of the free" would exclude or ban people, but if so it doesn't quite hit the mark. A more cutting criticism would be that the land of the free isn't letting one of its own compa…

It doesn't even refer to all Americans. Just the wealthy ones. And even that is increasingly reduced to just the wealthy ones who support Donald Trump.

It's always been a catchy propaganda slogan. Nothing more.

Re: Identity verification on Claude

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Post by spwa4 »

xinayder wrote: post #667
ozozozd wrote: post #576

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This is a strange plea for optimism. Sincerely or not, judgement is yours, Dario has been begging for regulation. He has been talking about how Claude models are distilled by foreign adversaries. And now the regulation is here. What makes you think this situation that the CEO of Anthropic is asking for it temporary? Do you not believe Dario was sincere?

How ironic it is that multibillion AI companies are complaining that their models are being distilled (read: used without permission) while the current top players trained their models on stolen data...

We still have to see what will happen when people "uncopyright" Disney movies, Microsoft software, ...

Re: Identity verification on Claude

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Post by joxdosba »

yurishimo wrote: post #669
joxdosba wrote: post #644

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These links claim that identities are stolen, but do not explain how. What happens to the victims, who are now presumably left unidentifiable? How are they tracked if they can’t be identified? Do their families recognise them? How does that work if they were married, had children or something? Does the identity thief just take over their whole life? As far as I know, “identity theft” is a boogeyman invented by the ba…

I would maybe reframe it as fraud being a natural downstream effect of identity theft. I don't need to steal anyone's identity to forge a check but that's also categorized as fraud. Identity theft also paints a clearer picture of what is required to remedy the situation. If your details have been pwnd hard enough, you might need to get new government documents entirely in order to protect yourself long term. If a con…

> Identity theft also paints a clearer picture of what is required to remedy the situation. If your details have been pwnd hard enough, you might need to get new government documents entirely in order to protect yourself long term

Okay, but in the US (for example) you simply can’t do that, and your details are already available to everyone for a dollar or two.

I’ll concede that “identity theft” could conceivably have a reasonable meaning in the context of e.g. Estonian digital identities where you could in a sense steal someone’s private key.

Re: Identity verification on Claude

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Post by ElProlactin »

rglullis wrote: post #684
ElProlactin wrote: post #681

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No. I really don't see the connection in this instance. Many companies are required by law to verify the identities of their customers (for money laundering, sanctions compliance, etc.) and to do so in a certain way they can document. Thinking that the US is a Banana Republic in which laws are applied differentially doesn't inherently mean that every rule that requires you to go through a process you don't like is un…

It's not a matter of being "unfair", it's a matter of people not trusting the institutions.

And? Yes, people have good reason to not trust institutions these days. But does not trusting institutions mean that you no longer have to comply with the rules, or that every rule is not based on a legitimate concern?

Re: Identity verification on Claude

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Post by js8 »

ElProlactin wrote: post #688
js8 wrote: post #685

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Yes, I did interpret "it" as referring to China, not US, in that sense I misread it. I agree that Great Famine was horrible. My main point was, I would take economic control over tanks and bombs (and actually dead people) any day. (Which was kind of the point of EHS, even in it's most neoliberal incarnation.)

> My main point was, I would take economic control over tanks and bombs... The problem is that most of the time, economic war ends with tanks and bombs.

That's not true, and anyway it's quite simplistic view of history.
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