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Re: Identity verification on Claude

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Post by ElProlactin »

rglullis wrote: post #658
ElProlactin wrote: post #655

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Differential application of the law has been a part of American society for a very long time. I suppose you could argue that it's more brazen and accepted (or even celebrated in some cases) these days, but that could also be a function of people just being more willing to see it because America's reputation/standing in the world is in decline.

Right, but do you agree then this explains why people are not willing to give their identity details to a company, even if the company is able to deduct/obtain these details through other means if it wanted?

No. I really don't see the connection in this instance.

Many companies are required by law to verify the identities of their customers (for money laundering, sanctions compliance, etc.) and to do so in a certain way they can document.

Thinking that the US is a Banana Republic in which laws are applied differentially doesn't inherently mean that every rule that requires you to go through a process you don't like is unfair/unjust.

Re: Identity verification on Claude

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Post by ethbr1 »

furyofantares wrote: post #510
ethbr1 wrote: post #502

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> probably GPT 5.6 will be better than Opus 4.8 and they won't hype it up as too dangerous to release before releasing it. If you buy the story that Anthropic's marketing hype drove US regulation, then I have a bridge to sell you. The best case real reason is Anthropic pissed off the administration. Which will leave OpenAI, Google, Meta, and X far more vulnerable to government data sharing requests... and KYC identit…

That is my best guess too, which is an even better case for better-than-Opus-4.8 models being available from OpenAI without drawing the attention of the administration. I do think their marketing hype was a factor though even in this narrative. Andrew Jassy tells a vengeful admin that there's this jailbreak for a model Anthropic said was dangerous, and vengeful admin seizes the opportunity to take vengeance.

I think any optimism about future OpenAI models is discounting the avarice of the current US administration.

Having succeeded with Anthropic, it's reasonable to expect their next attempt will be:

"Nice new model, OpenAI, would be a shame if national security concerns tangled up a public release. Now let's talk about equity stakes..."

Re: Identity verification on Claude

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Post by rglullis »

ElProlactin wrote: post #681
rglullis wrote: post #658

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Right, but do you agree then this explains why people are not willing to give their identity details to a company, even if the company is able to deduct/obtain these details through other means if it wanted?

No. I really don't see the connection in this instance. Many companies are required by law to verify the identities of their customers (for money laundering, sanctions compliance, etc.) and to do so in a certain way they can document. Thinking that the US is a Banana Republic in which laws are applied differentially doesn't inherently mean that every rule that requires you to go through a process you don't like is un…

It's not a matter of being "unfair", it's a matter of people not trusting the institutions.

Re: Identity verification on Claude

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Post by js8 »

ElProlactin wrote: post #602
js8 wrote: post #598

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You don't know what you're talking about. Russians occupied my country, killed almost no one, and yet it was far worse than all the economic damage caused by Western neoliberalism. US imperialism has been a blight to the world, outright killing millions. Modern China did nothing on that scale.

I think you misread my comment. > ...but America's wars don't even scratch the surface of what it has done overseas through economic might and covert action. "What IT has done overseas" refers to the US. But as for China, the Great Leap Forward is considered the largest man-made famine in history, causing somewhere between 15 and 55 million deaths. The Cultural Revolution resulted in the destruction of irreplicable a…

Yes, I did interpret "it" as referring to China, not US, in that sense I misread it.

I agree that Great Famine was horrible.

My main point was, I would take economic control over tanks and bombs (and actually dead people) any day. (Which was kind of the point of EHS, even in it's most neoliberal incarnation.)

Re: Identity verification on Claude

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Post by js8 »

digitaltrees wrote: post #566
trollbridge wrote: post #525

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Most the Chinese models are open source. You can buy some hardware and go run them yourself, if you really are concerned about "dumping" and "loss leaders".

But you do see that supports my argument right? For every one of Us that stops paying monthly subscription or api costs to OpenAI/anthropic/google the smaller their market gets. Taken to enough scale and they won’t reach profitability. So while I am running local models I am aware of the geopolitical implications

Why do you care about geopolitical implications? (I don't see how it supports your argument, sorry.)

Re: Identity verification on Claude

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Post by ElProlactin »

js8 wrote: post #685
ElProlactin wrote: post #602

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I think you misread my comment. > ...but America's wars don't even scratch the surface of what it has done overseas through economic might and covert action. "What IT has done overseas" refers to the US. But as for China, the Great Leap Forward is considered the largest man-made famine in history, causing somewhere between 15 and 55 million deaths. The Cultural Revolution resulted in the destruction of irreplicable a…

Yes, I did interpret "it" as referring to China, not US, in that sense I misread it. I agree that Great Famine was horrible. My main point was, I would take economic control over tanks and bombs (and actually dead people) any day. (Which was kind of the point of EHS, even in it's most neoliberal incarnation.)

> My main point was, I would take economic control over tanks and bombs...

The problem is that most of the time, economic war ends with tanks and bombs.

Re: Identity verification on Claude

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Post by djeastm »

Scoundreller wrote: post #494
3stacks wrote: post #491

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What is stopping you from switching to GLM 5.2 now? Have you tried it out yet? I'm playing with Deepseek a lot more via OpenRouter recently and the only major downside I can see is the usage billing over the monthly plan

Meanwhile, as an irregular user of heavy AI, I like the usage-based billing of deepseek. Made a bunch of optimizations to my vibe-coded codebase, created some extra modules, using the chat... has costed me 33 cents so far in a couple weeks.

Yeah for a side project I just switched over to DS4 and between Pro and Flash a few days ago I've spent $1.96 both for code work and some large LLM text processing tasks.

It feels to me as good as the last version of Opus I was using (I think 4.6 or 7?). I'm going direct through the DeepSeek API, not Openrouter.

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