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Re: Danish privacy activist Lars Andersen raided by police

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Post by Fnoord »

A Danish privacy activist (not a protected title) using Google Nest.

On a second thought (addendum), ...

1) Publishing PII like phone number of a high profile person in your society is causing them harm since they obviously put effort into not having such out in the open. (e.g. I can find anyone's phone number in my country via leaks. No big deal... but I shouldn't publish such. I shouldn't possess such data either.)

2) SSN is a different category of PII. Publishing this of anyone is an invitation of harm, even more so of a high profile person in your society.

It is akin to inviting people to DDoS a website, or blocking them physically access to exit their house. That kind of thing. Except that on the internet, anyone can abuse this. Even people (including criminals) in foreign countries, residing in hazardous jurisdictions (e.g. Russia).

Either way, what's the point of publishing such information? When German activists published the fingerprint of a German minister, they were making a point. They got the fingerprint via a glass of wine, but the interesting point is that a fingerprint cannot be revoked. It isn't used to authenticate a password, but a user(name). It should therefore not be used as single factor.

Re: Danish privacy activist Lars Andersen raided by police

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Post by adammarples »

klustregrif wrote: post #15
sword_smith wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lars was a corrupt cop? Are you just using "corrupt" to mean "someone I don't like"?

I don’t care if you think drugs should be legalized, or even if you do drugs in your free time. If you are a cop doing drugs while on duty and decide to take it on yourself to not enforce the law against drug dealers you are corrupt, because you have decided to subjugate the law you are forced with enforcing. Now it’s true that he wasn’t officially charged with taking kickbacks from the drug dealers he would let oper…

No that's not what corruption means

Re: Danish privacy activist Lars Andersen raided by police

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Post by tao_oat »

gaiagraphia wrote: post #187
tao_oat wrote: post #183

Because no one has mentioned it here: Lars Andersen is also a right-wing extremist who regularly posts racist content on social media. His privacy/free speech activism seems to be (at least partly) motivated by this. I think this is useful context for evaluating his judgment.

An example would've been nice. All too often people throw around the racist buzzword without ever actually providing evidence. It's as if we're expected to just blindly trust and follow that somebody is now excommunicated from modern society.

Sure thing. If you view his X profile without logging in, nearly all his top posts demonstrate what I mean: advocating for remigration (i.e. ethnic cleansing), comparing Muslims to monkeys, supporting far-right figures like Tommy Robinson and Rasmus Paludan, sharing YouTube comments with racial slurs...

Re: Danish privacy activist Lars Andersen raided by police

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Post by justinclift »

joe_mamba wrote: post #186
ngruhn wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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>A successful case might be Luigi Mangione. Sorry, but how was that murder successful? Did it achieve the effect that everyone is getting cheaper healthcare now? OR, on the contrary, it only achieved that CEOs are now getting more anonymity and private security, while the plebs are getting more invasive law enforcement tracking like Palantir and Flock shoved up their ass to prevent them from doing something like that…

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Re: Danish privacy activist Lars Andersen raided by police

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Post by pcrh »

Lerc wrote: post #151
Quothling wrote: post #22

I'm Danish and lars kragh andersen is a bit of a grey zone. He obviously goes over the line, he tried to put GPS trackers on the cars of ministers. He "stalks" their families, and dox their children online. He gave an interview on how he'd ignore people carrying a kilo gram of weed when he was a cop because he doesn't agree with the "war on drugs". On the flip-side, he's sort of right. I assume that putting a GPS tra…

>He goes way too far though. Especially if he actually wants change, the way he "protests" is directly damaging his own cause, since nobody is going to sympathise with harrassing children. I don't think this is a given. Just Stop Oil says that their tactics do make people hate them, but their research tells them that it still makes peoples opinions on the issues move in the direction that they want them to. Their pos…

This is referred to as shifting the Overton window. If voices from the extreme are not heard, the Overton window moves away from their position, so protests help their cause even if only a minority completely agree with them.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overton_window

Re: Danish privacy activist Lars Andersen raided by police

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Post by joxdosba »

ktallett wrote: post #96
JuniperMesos wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There have been cases in the US where homeowners shot cops dead who were in the process of unexpectedly raiding their home, because the homeowner had no idea they were cops and not home invasion robbers; and in some cases have been acquitted of murder charges by juries for this. I'd personally like to see the laws protecting this strengthened, to make sure that cops aren't charging unannounced into peoples' homes and…

I would much prefer a society where all homeowners and cops don't carry guns and cops were fired for illegal raids.

> cops were fired for illegal raids.

This kind of pro-cop propaganda placing them above the law is disgusting.

Cops should go to prison for illegal raids. Some behaviour needs to be severely punished.

This kind of betrayal of trust is one of the most severe crimes one can commit against society, the punishments should be equally severe.

Re: Danish privacy activist Lars Andersen raided by police

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Post by joe_mamba »

justinclift wrote: post #194
joe_mamba wrote: post #186

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>A successful case might be Luigi Mangione. Sorry, but how was that murder successful? Did it achieve the effect that everyone is getting cheaper healthcare now? OR, on the contrary, it only achieved that CEOs are now getting more anonymity and private security, while the plebs are getting more invasive law enforcement tracking like Palantir and Flock shoved up their ass to prevent them from doing something like that…

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>One less psychopath in charge of a US health care provider being around?

What kind of broken logic is this? What good did this do for you if the end result for you is the same or worse now? Other than feel good for vigilante vengeance than then backfires on you in the end. It's not like there's a shortage of CEOs to take his place and keep doing the same thing.

You're not in a comic book movie where if you kill the main "bad guy" then society magically fixes itself at the end, because there is no main villain here, society is broken not because of the decisions of one CEO, but because of a combination of decisions of thousands of people, factors and incentives accumulated over decades that lead to healthcare and other things sucking, and you don't fix it overnight by killing one guy, you instead just make it worse for everyone else who isn't a murderer.

You fix it by talking, campaigning, gathering people and voting, knowing that it will also take decades to undo, the same way as it took decades to get to this stage. That's the only way you enact change that will will guarantee bi-partisan buy-in and actually stick around for the long term. Policy changes implemented by populist movements under threat of violence rarely produce good outcomes that last.

Re: Danish privacy activist Lars Andersen raided by police

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Post by raverbashing »

walletdrainer wrote: post #182
erentz wrote: post #181

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How can we know the IRA “won”? The country changed a hell of a lot over the course of the Troubles and by the time of the GFA in 1998 I don’t see how it is so clear that the reforms wouldn’t have also been achieved via other peaceful and democratic means.

> How can we know the IRA “won”? In signing the GFA, the UK effectively gave up on it's sovereignty over NI. That was never going to happen through "peaceful and democratic means"

The rabbit hole goes much deeper than simply "they gave up on sovereignty"

Re: Danish privacy activist Lars Andersen raided by police

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Post by bondarchuk »

dataflow wrote: post #170
egorfine wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because this someone wants to know location of everyone in the country while his own location should be of course private and protected.

I still don't understand what that has to do with encryption. Are these two separate policy proposals, one for GPS tracking and one for encryption, that this person is supporting?

Think about why do governments want to ban encryption? Because they want to know everything about you all the time. Collecting information on someone such as their location is of the same order.

Re: Danish privacy activist Lars Andersen raided by police

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Post by close04 »

kakacik wrote: post #145
monegator wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> He goes way too far though that's what activist have to do to shake people

Attacking families is firmly across the line and looks like crazy man's personal vendetta. Who can vouch he won't go further and ie won't kidnap a kid to achieve his goals. No wonder he gets raided, at one point it becomes a topic about protecting one's family, left or right, moral or crook doesn't matter anymore. Its not activist anymore in any meaningful sense, just a fanatic .

> crazy man's personal vendetta. Who can vouch he won't go further and ie won't kidnap a kid to achieve his goals.

You just committed exactly the kind of escalation that you condemn when it's about him.

So what if someone can vouch for him? What's that worth? "Vouching" is worthless in any circumstance I can think of, and nobody can give you guarantees about anything. I can't vouch that you won't do exactly the same, or that you weren't the masked police who raced to the breakers so he's not filmed while breaking the law (innocent people have nothing to hide, right?), or that you're not one of the politicians pushing for oppressive laws for your personal benefit.

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