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Re: Danish privacy activist Lars Andersen raided by police

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Post by erentz »

walletdrainer wrote: post #167
raverbashing wrote: post #164

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The level of general sympathy for one of those (and their level of success) is much higher than for the others Maybe because they were actively avoiding civilian targets And even then mostly because a lot of people were supportive of their cause even if they were against their methods

>And even then mostly because a lot of people were supportive of their cause even if they were against their methods But IRA didn't win because those people supported their cause, IRA won despite those people being against their methods. It was the force they used which directly led to the GFA, without the bombs and the killing the British would never have surrendered.

How can we know the IRA “won”? The country changed a hell of a lot over the course of the Troubles and by the time of the GFA in 1998 I don’t see how it is so clear that the reforms wouldn’t have also been achieved via other peaceful and democratic means.

Re: Danish privacy activist Lars Andersen raided by police

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Post by walletdrainer »

erentz wrote: post #181
walletdrainer wrote: post #167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>And even then mostly because a lot of people were supportive of their cause even if they were against their methods But IRA didn't win because those people supported their cause, IRA won despite those people being against their methods. It was the force they used which directly led to the GFA, without the bombs and the killing the British would never have surrendered.

How can we know the IRA “won”? The country changed a hell of a lot over the course of the Troubles and by the time of the GFA in 1998 I don’t see how it is so clear that the reforms wouldn’t have also been achieved via other peaceful and democratic means.

> How can we know the IRA “won”?

In signing the GFA, the UK effectively gave up on it's sovereignty over NI. That was never going to happen through "peaceful and democratic means"

Re: Danish privacy activist Lars Andersen raided by police

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Post by tao_oat »

Because no one has mentioned it here: Lars Andersen is also a right-wing extremist who regularly posts racist content on social media. His privacy/free speech activism seems to be (at least partly) motivated by this.

I think this is useful context for evaluating his judgment.

Re: Danish privacy activist Lars Andersen raided by police

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Post by gaiagraphia »

dmurray wrote: post #169
pembrook wrote: post #93

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I don’t think he goes too far at all. If politicians are attempting to undermine your children’s right to privacy forever , and yet these same politicians don’t like when this is being done to their own children…it shows either an astonishing level of hypocrisy and/or stupidity. Europe is filled with these types of authoritarian urbanites, who make decisions from an elitist “i know what’s best for you” attitude while…

Even if you don't think he goes too far ethically , you can probably agree that it's reasonable for the police to intervene once he's interfering with the cars of government ministers.

The police definitely need to intervene, but I'd like to think that playing tit-for-tat with the government is a valid protest, and that this won't result in a loss of freedom.

I guess they need to ascertain whether he's operating organically, or at the behest of another nation, and whether he's scouting out ministers for something bigger in the future.

Though, the irony in all this, is that it all could've been avoided if the government weren't acting at the behest of another nation, and scouting out what they can get away with on their authoritarian warpath. Maybe the police are arresting the wrong people.

Re: Danish privacy activist Lars Andersen raided by police

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Post by SukadarBukadar »

Gibbon1 wrote: post #177
SukadarBukadar wrote: post #155

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How is force working for Hamas? The shift in general sentiment towards Israel came from Israel's blatant disregard for civilian life and from their apartheid politics being put in spotlight. Hamas are still regarded as terrorist savages by everyone sane and their Oct 7 attack served as an excuse for Israel to set them back and hunt them regardless of collateral casualties, terrorizing their compatriots

You seem to think the conflict will be decided by the vibes and sentiments of people who don't matter.

Why would you think so? The conflict will most likely be decided by Israel (and by extension USA) having the biggest influence both globally and locally, and the biggest guns, but there is no misconception about it, so I decided not to add it.

Re: Danish privacy activist Lars Andersen raided by police

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Post by joe_mamba »

ngruhn wrote: post #156
monegator wrote: post #118

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> He goes way too far though that's what activist have to do to shake people

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>A successful case might be Luigi Mangione.

Sorry, but how was that murder successful?

Did it achieve the effect that everyone is getting cheaper healthcare now?

OR, on the contrary, it only achieved that CEOs are now getting more anonymity and private security, while the plebs are getting more invasive law enforcement tracking like Palantir and Flock shoved up their ass to prevent them from doing something like that again?

Re: Danish privacy activist Lars Andersen raided by police

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Post by gaiagraphia »

tao_oat wrote: post #183

Because no one has mentioned it here: Lars Andersen is also a right-wing extremist who regularly posts racist content on social media. His privacy/free speech activism seems to be (at least partly) motivated by this. I think this is useful context for evaluating his judgment.

An example would've been nice.

All too often people throw around the racist buzzword without ever actually providing evidence. It's as if we're expected to just blindly trust and follow that somebody is now excommunicated from modern society.

Re: Danish privacy activist Lars Andersen raided by police

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Post by stavros »

nxm wrote: post #153
ktallett wrote: post #96

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I would much prefer a society where all homeowners and cops don't carry guns and cops were fired for illegal raids.

That’s not the real world. Criminals will always find a way to get guns no matter the amount of gun control you impose, so I’d rather have law abiding citizens be armed as well

"You can never ban all guns, so don't bother banning any guns. It makes no sense to reduce gun violence if you cannot eliminate it completely."

Re: Danish privacy activist Lars Andersen raided by police

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Post by joe_mamba »

Lerc wrote: post #151
Quothling wrote: post #22

I'm Danish and lars kragh andersen is a bit of a grey zone. He obviously goes over the line, he tried to put GPS trackers on the cars of ministers. He "stalks" their families, and dox their children online. He gave an interview on how he'd ignore people carrying a kilo gram of weed when he was a cop because he doesn't agree with the "war on drugs". On the flip-side, he's sort of right. I assume that putting a GPS tra…

>He goes way too far though. Especially if he actually wants change, the way he "protests" is directly damaging his own cause, since nobody is going to sympathise with harrassing children. I don't think this is a given. Just Stop Oil says that their tactics do make people hate them, but their research tells them that it still makes peoples opinions on the issues move in the direction that they want them to. Their pos…

> but their research tells them

Thier "research" might be full of yes men.

Re: Danish privacy activist Lars Andersen raided by police

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Post by erentz »

walletdrainer wrote: post #182
erentz wrote: post #181

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How can we know the IRA “won”? The country changed a hell of a lot over the course of the Troubles and by the time of the GFA in 1998 I don’t see how it is so clear that the reforms wouldn’t have also been achieved via other peaceful and democratic means.

> How can we know the IRA “won”? In signing the GFA, the UK effectively gave up on it's sovereignty over NI. That was never going to happen through "peaceful and democratic means"

What makes it giving up sovereignty? I understand it creates the potential for separation in future but not yet. The devolution of Scotland and Wales happened peacefully a couple(?) of years later, and Scotland may also separate in future.
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