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Re: Identity verification on Claude

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Post by joxdosba »

-Fu wrote: post #578
ElProlactin wrote: post #571

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I’m a US citizen and absolutely will not be uploading additional information just to use a company’s models. I can't speak to your specific use of Anthropic's models, but I find it interesting that people will identify themselves (to set up and pay for an account) and provide all sorts of personal (and often sensitive if not confidential) information to these models on a daily basis, but balk at a 5-minute identity…

It’s not the five minutes that I balk at, it’s entrusting a third party with all they need to steal my identity. But of course, they’ll never get hacked…

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Re: Identity verification on Claude

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Post by mcv »

nozzlegear wrote: post #485
matheusmoreira wrote: post #457

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> As a non-US citizen Opus 4.8 is the best American LLM I will ever have access to. > Each month that I pay Anthropic is now a depreciating value -- I'm paying for models I'll never be able to access, while other models are able to catch up. Excellent point... That made me rethink my payments to Anthropic. As one of the foreign peasants who was banned from accessing Fable by the land of the free, it's become really h…

> banned from accessing Fable by the land of the free It should go without saying, but "the free" in "the land of the free" refers to Americans, not everyone else. Not sure if you were trying to make it sound like a great irony that "the land of the free" would exclude or ban people, but if so it doesn't quite hit the mark. A more cutting criticism would be that the land of the free isn't letting one of its own compa…

It doesn't even refer to all Americans. Just the wealthy ones. And even that is increasingly reduced to just the wealthy ones who support Donald Trump.

Re: Identity verification on Claude

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Post by sofixa »

Aurornis wrote: post #437
data-ottawa wrote: post #154

The US is really shooting itself in the foot here. The restrictions on LLM models like Fable has created a viable international LLM market where it was difficult to justify investment two weeks ago. As a non-US citizen Opus 4.8 is the best American LLM I will ever have access to. That's no longer up for debate or question. Each month that I pay Anthropic is now a depreciating value -- I'm paying for models I'll never…

Despite what’s being implied everywhere, this ID check page has been there since April. Wayback Machine if you don’t believe me: https://web.archive.org/web/20260415064244/https://support.c... > As a non-US citizen Opus 4.8 is the best American LLM I will ever have access to. That's no longer up for debate or question. This is a crazy conclusion for a situation that isn’t even two weeks old. LLMs are not the first te…

> We’ve had export restrictions on different chips and even cryptography software in the past.

But not on a SaaS whose continued availability you'd rely on.

In any case, your optimism is bordering on naivety. The world has seen how the US can easily disregard anything and act arbitrarily - sanctions, tariffs, shutting down access to SaaSes - and this will not be forgotten. As you say, administrations change. Even if next time around there are competent adults in the White House (which really isn't a given), do you really want to bet your business on that not changing 4 years later?

There's a reason why all the big cloud providers are constantly shouting about their "sovereign" solutions. The US has broken everyone's trust and there is no going back on that.

Re: Identity verification on Claude

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Post by palmotea »

deanishe wrote: post #560
ignoramous wrote: post #445

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> This is a crazy conclusion for a situation that isn’t even two weeks old... I think, this is all a culmination of rapidly eroding trust and soft power between US & its allies for the past 3y.

What allies? You threatened to invade Canada and Greenland. You surely don't think you're coming back from that?

> What allies?

> You threatened to invade Canada and Greenland.

> You surely don't think you're coming back from that?

Trump threatened. Those were unserious remarks by an unserious person who's 80 years old. If that was all it takes to permanently demolish those alliances, they were never actually there.

Re: Identity verification on Claude

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Post by sofixa »

simoncion wrote: post #501
baka367 wrote: post #490

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This decision has, effectively, turned LMMs into a supply chain risk. Before this incident I’d gladly use any anthropic LLM in production features. Right now, this has become a risky decision that can tank my business overnight.

> Right now, this has become a risky decision that can tank my business overnight. If your business-critical systems rely on SAAS that doesn't have a solid SLA and breach-of-contract provisions that more than cover the damages in the event, you've made "a risky decision that can tank [your] business overnight". If the software your business depends on can't run indefinitely without getting permission to operate from…

> Right now, this has become a risky decision that can tank my business overnight. If your business-critical systems rely on SAAS that doesn't have a solid SLA and breach-of-contract provisions that more than cover the damages in the event, you've made "a risky decision that can tank [your] business overnight".

I'm pretty sure that a US government export restriction / ban / etc. would count as a force majeure invalidating all the fancy wording you could wish for on a piece of paper.

The only way to actually control is to self manage in an environment you control.

Re: Identity verification on Claude

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Post by sofixa »

palmotea wrote: post #614
deanishe wrote: post #560

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What allies? You threatened to invade Canada and Greenland. You surely don't think you're coming back from that?

> What allies? > You threatened to invade Canada and Greenland. > You surely don't think you're coming back from that? Trump threatened. Those were unserious remarks by an unserious person who's 80 years old. If that was all it takes to permanently demolish those alliances, they were never actually there.

No no, the remarks were pretty damn fucking serious.

And the fact that the US could elect such an unserious and demented criminal, twice is proof enough that there is a lot to worry about. Who's to say who will be next? Or after that?

Re: Identity verification on Claude

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Post by RobMurray »

ai_fry_ur_brain wrote: post #343
miki123211 wrote: post #297

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They require verification to access the more capable models through their API. It's not required for "consumer" usage, which also includes things like the Codex CLI authenticated via oAuth.

Yes it is, they will trigger it over security related questions.

It can trigger it's self, when it decides it needs to try lots of different options to get clicks into an installer running as admin. There's basically nothing you can do to prevent it.

Re: Identity verification on Claude

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Post by mcherm »

data-ottawa wrote: post #154

The US is really shooting itself in the foot here. The restrictions on LLM models like Fable has created a viable international LLM market where it was difficult to justify investment two weeks ago. As a non-US citizen Opus 4.8 is the best American LLM I will ever have access to. That's no longer up for debate or question. Each month that I pay Anthropic is now a depreciating value -- I'm paying for models I'll never…

> The US is really shooting itself in the foot here.

Not exactly. The close buddy with the owners of several other AI companies who has a known dispute with Anthropic and who has seized near-absolute power in the US is doing something that damages Anthropic. The fact that it also destroys long term prospects for the US overall is irrelevant because the individual can't think ahead and also doesn't care about the future of the US.

It's nearly the same thing in the end, but helpful to understand the cause.

Re: Identity verification on Claude

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Post by Hikikomori »

71bw wrote: post #604
js8 wrote: post #598

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You don't know what you're talking about. Russians occupied my country, killed almost no one, and yet it was far worse than all the economic damage caused by Western neoliberalism. US imperialism has been a blight to the world, outright killing millions. Modern China did nothing on that scale.

And yet it is China who has, for the last 40+ years, successfully used the "start cheap, destroy competition, rise prices" tactic.

Why are you complaining, thats just the free market doing its thing.
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