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Re: Identity verification on Claude

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Post by pegasus »

ozozozd wrote: post #576
Aurornis wrote: post #437

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Despite what’s being implied everywhere, this ID check page has been there since April. Wayback Machine if you don’t believe me: https://web.archive.org/web/20260415064244/https://support.c... > As a non-US citizen Opus 4.8 is the best American LLM I will ever have access to. That's no longer up for debate or question. This is a crazy conclusion for a situation that isn’t even two weeks old. LLMs are not the first te…

This is a strange plea for optimism. Sincerely or not, judgement is yours, Dario has been begging for regulation. He has been talking about how Claude models are distilled by foreign adversaries. And now the regulation is here. What makes you think this situation that the CEO of Anthropic is asking for it temporary? Do you not believe Dario was sincere?

Do you sincerely believe Dario wants Fable to be restricted to US citizens only?

Re: Identity verification on Claude

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Post by ElProlactin »

js8 wrote: post #598
ElProlactin wrote: post #572

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> and China is not threatening to invade the EU or Canada. They are the lesser of two evils at this point. They don't need to. They can undermine the West economically and politically. The US has been a much more violent imperial power but America's wars don't even scratch the surface of what it has done overseas through economic might and covert action.

You don't know what you're talking about. Russians occupied my country, killed almost no one, and yet it was far worse than all the economic damage caused by Western neoliberalism. US imperialism has been a blight to the world, outright killing millions. Modern China did nothing on that scale.

I think you misread my comment.

> ...but America's wars don't even scratch the surface of what it has done overseas through economic might and covert action.

"What IT has done overseas" refers to the US.

But as for China, the Great Leap Forward is considered the largest man-made famine in history, causing somewhere between 15 and 55 million deaths. The Cultural Revolution resulted in the destruction of irreplicable artifacts and historical sites.

Like the US, China has been involved in sowing discord and destruction in other countries. What the US did in Cambodia was an absolute travesty. But China was Pol Pot's primary backer, having provided around $1 billion in economic and military aid to the Khmer Rouge. So it's not like China was an idle witness to what happened in Indochina last century.

We can argue all day about the greater and lesser of two evils but my point remains: powerful countries can cause significant harm to the world without invading other countries.

Re: Identity verification on Claude

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Post by tancop »

ElProlactin wrote: post #572
1over137 wrote: post #462

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and China is not threatening to invade the EU or Canada. They are the lesser of two evils at this point.

> and China is not threatening to invade the EU or Canada. They are the lesser of two evils at this point. They don't need to. They can undermine the West economically and politically. The US has been a much more violent imperial power but America's wars don't even scratch the surface of what it has done overseas through economic might and covert action.

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Re: Identity verification on Claude

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Post by 71bw »

js8 wrote: post #598
ElProlactin wrote: post #572

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> and China is not threatening to invade the EU or Canada. They are the lesser of two evils at this point. They don't need to. They can undermine the West economically and politically. The US has been a much more violent imperial power but America's wars don't even scratch the surface of what it has done overseas through economic might and covert action.

You don't know what you're talking about. Russians occupied my country, killed almost no one, and yet it was far worse than all the economic damage caused by Western neoliberalism. US imperialism has been a blight to the world, outright killing millions. Modern China did nothing on that scale.

And yet it is China who has, for the last 40+ years, successfully used the "start cheap, destroy competition, rise prices" tactic.

Re: Identity verification on Claude

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Post by lukewarm707 »

InsideOutSanta wrote: post #308
data-ottawa wrote: post #154

The US is really shooting itself in the foot here. The restrictions on LLM models like Fable has created a viable international LLM market where it was difficult to justify investment two weeks ago. As a non-US citizen Opus 4.8 is the best American LLM I will ever have access to. That's no longer up for debate or question. Each month that I pay Anthropic is now a depreciating value -- I'm paying for models I'll never…

I also think this makes OpenAI and Anthropic even less viable. They're tens of billions in debt, losing money every month, have data center commitments in the hundreds of billions, and now they're reducing their market to the US? The only way this can work is with substantial government subsidies.

easy IPO cashout

Re: Identity verification on Claude

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Post by rexthonyy »

pegasus wrote: post #601
ozozozd wrote: post #576

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a strange plea for optimism. Sincerely or not, judgement is yours, Dario has been begging for regulation. He has been talking about how Claude models are distilled by foreign adversaries. And now the regulation is here. What makes you think this situation that the CEO of Anthropic is asking for it temporary? Do you not believe Dario was sincere?

Do you sincerely believe Dario wants Fable to be restricted to US citizens only?

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Re: Identity verification on Claude

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Post by mcv »

-Fu wrote: post #578
ElProlactin wrote: post #571

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> I’m a US citizen and absolutely will not be uploading additional information just to use a company’s models. I can't speak to your specific use of Anthropic's models, but I find it interesting that people will identify themselves (to set up and pay for an account) and provide all sorts of personal (and often sensitive if not confidential) information to these models on a daily basis, but balk at a 5-minute identity…

It’s not the five minutes that I balk at, it’s entrusting a third party with all they need to steal my identity. But of course, they’ll never get hacked…

And to me, it's specifically that that third party is Peter Thiel. Not the guy I want to trust with my data.

Re: Identity verification on Claude

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Post by RobMurray »

dotancohen wrote: post #395
JimDabell wrote: post #6

OpenAI also has this kind of check. What is especially bad is that if you fail the verification process, they won’t let you retry – you are permanently locked out from the top models. They aren’t clear about this upfront during the process, so make sure the lighting is good when you scan your ID! https://help.openai.com/en/articles/10910291-api-organizatio...

From that page: > At this time, retries are not supported. You can continue using OpenAI’s platform with your existing access. That's ridiculous, especially as their list of reasons that verifications can fail include "There was a technical issue during submission".

I didn't know this. Looks like I dodged a bullet - being totally blind meant the chance of issues was high but luckily it worked. It triggered the id check while trying to get computer use to work for an installer running as admin on windows. Actual reverse engineering I got it to do in the past didn't trigger it.

Re: Identity verification on Claude

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Post by sneezychl »

N_Lens wrote: post #579
deanishe wrote: post #560

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What allies? You threatened to invade Canada and Greenland. You surely don't think you're coming back from that?

They will obviously come back from that no questions about it. It’s like an abusive relationship that CA/EU can’t fully eject from, there will always be hope of conciliation because the benefits both ways are so massive and the relationships are so entrenched, it will take much more than DJT and Republicans/dark enlightenment technocrats to completely fracture these alliances.

Agreed. Things are really bad right now. But they've been bad before. We helped rebuild Germany after they started world wars.
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