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FDA advisors unanimously vote to approve Moderna's mRNA after agency drama

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Re: FDA advisors unanimously vote to approve Moderna's mRNA after agency drama

#92

Flu vaccines aren't immunizing vaccines. They protect against specific strains, and half the time they immunize against a strain that doesn't become widespread and do very little or nothing to protect you. They have side effects which vary widely in severity depending on the specific vaccine. This article has no data about why mRNA flu vaccines will improve these outcomes, and has no data about the risk/benefit ratio…

What do you mean by "immunizing vaccines"? In the first sentence, you say that flu vaccines are not and in the second you admit they are. Maybe you meant that their coverage is not comprehensive. If so, that's what you should say. mRNA flu vaccines have substantial potential advantages in terms of the ability to target a wider spectrum of variants and faster time to manufacture.

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Re: FDA advisors unanimously vote to approve Moderna's mRNA after agency drama

#93

Flu vaccines aren't immunizing vaccines. They protect against specific strains, and half the time they immunize against a strain that doesn't become widespread and do very little or nothing to protect you. They have side effects which vary widely in severity depending on the specific vaccine. This article has no data about why mRNA flu vaccines will improve these outcomes, and has no data about the risk/benefit ratio…

Wow... that took me several, uh, seconds to find. https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2516491 There's your hard data.

Thanks. 10 our of 13 of the researchers work for Moderna or another pharma company. That "study" might as well be a marketing brochure.

Re: FDA advisors unanimously vote to approve Moderna's mRNA after agency drama

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> they don't care to step in and impose compassion, so they might as well not exist. Is this not what the store owners did?

Zero patrons inside the stores cared/did anything. A business structuring things to prevent a scene is not compassion in my mind, just like pride awareness by businesses wasn't actual pride awareness.

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Re: FDA advisors unanimously vote to approve Moderna's mRNA after agency drama

#95

The subversion of scientific expertise to replace it with podcasters and political sycophants is one of the biggest disasters of the current years. The very concept of merit has been destroyed and replaced with judgement calls on celebrity (necessary for leadership role) and subservience to the political whims of the last 15 minutes (and you had better switch in the next 15 minutes or you're out).

It is not a disaster. It is a part of carefully orchestrated attack on Western democracies by enemy states.

it's not enemy states, it's a reactionary attack from within.

Re: FDA advisors unanimously vote to approve Moderna's mRNA after agency drama

#97

How much death and suffering does this guy have on his conscience? I’m so curious how someone goes from being a professor to a science denier? I simply can’t imagine that journey.

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1. That's not what ad hominem means. You can legitimately criticize people for their actions. All I see here are people saying his actions are wrong and incongruous with fact-based science.

2. There's nothing whatsoever wrong about asking questions. It becomes wrong when refusing to listen to the answers and dismissing all the ones you don't like because you don't like the person saying them. Ironically, that's ad hominem.

Re: FDA advisors unanimously vote to approve Moderna's mRNA after agency drama

#98

Flu vaccines aren't immunizing vaccines. They protect against specific strains, and half the time they immunize against a strain that doesn't become widespread and do very little or nothing to protect you. They have side effects which vary widely in severity depending on the specific vaccine. This article has no data about why mRNA flu vaccines will improve these outcomes, and has no data about the risk/benefit ratio…

The word you're looking for is "sterilizing."

Re: FDA advisors unanimously vote to approve Moderna's mRNA after agency drama

#99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wow... that took me several, uh, seconds to find. https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2516491 There's your hard data.

Thanks. 10 our of 13 of the researchers work for Moderna or another pharma company. That "study" might as well be a marketing brochure.

Not everyone is duplicitous, and it’s not surprising that the experts on a technology work at a company that creates the technology. I assume you’d think the study was valid if the Moderna staff were testing a Pfizer vaccine?
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