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FDA advisors unanimously vote to approve Moderna's mRNA after agency drama

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Re: FDA advisors unanimously vote to approve Moderna's mRNA after agency drama

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Post by nearlyepic »

deepspace wrote: post #63
epistasis wrote: post #4

The subversion of scientific expertise to replace it with podcasters and political sycophants is one of the biggest disasters of the current years. The very concept of merit has been destroyed and replaced with judgement calls on celebrity (necessary for leadership role) and subservience to the political whims of the last 15 minutes (and you had better switch in the next 15 minutes or you're out).

It is not a disaster. It is a part of carefully orchestrated attack on Western democracies by enemy states.

This stupidity is home-grown. Blaming "enemy states" is deflection - the quicker we understand that the quicker we can get to fixing this mess.

Re: FDA advisors unanimously vote to approve Moderna's mRNA after agency drama

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Post by phyzix5761 »

JSR_FDED wrote: post #44

How much death and suffering does this guy have on his conscience? I’m so curious how someone goes from being a professor to a science denier? I simply can’t imagine that journey.

I imagine at some point, after earnestly trying to help the American people with real science, these people get tired of working thankless jobs where they're up against monstrous bureaucracy and just want to do something that benefits themselves and their families. Sadly, and in part because our society rarely rewards beneficial work the way it does exploitation, these people find the path of least resistance to be this kind of journey.

Re: FDA advisors unanimously vote to approve Moderna's mRNA after agency drama

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Post by amluto »

shusaku wrote: post #46
comrade1234 wrote: post #5

Is this the one that's a flu/Covid combo? I live in Europe and have been looking forward to it - especially since the flu part covers way more variants than traditionally - no longer a need to depend on flawed predictions as to what variants will be predominant. Also no longer a need for two sore arms.

Interesting. I wonder if the variant limits us now capped by how much you can pack in the vaccine, or how good a on the body does priming for a bunch of stuff at once.

In the US, until very recently, there were four variants in the vaccine: two Influenza A and two Influenza B. But one of the B variants seems to have gone extinct during the COVID pandemic, and now the vaccine is just two A and one B.

Re: FDA advisors unanimously vote to approve Moderna's mRNA after agency drama

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Post by Gud »

phyzix5761 wrote: post #82
JSR_FDED wrote: post #44

How much death and suffering does this guy have on his conscience? I’m so curious how someone goes from being a professor to a science denier? I simply can’t imagine that journey.

I imagine at some point, after earnestly trying to help the American people with real science, these people get tired of working thankless jobs where they're up against monstrous bureaucracy and just want to do something that benefits themselves and their families. Sadly, and in part because our society rarely rewards beneficial work the way it does exploitation, these people find the path of least resistance to be t…

Or perhaps he never did give a fuck?

Re: FDA advisors unanimously vote to approve Moderna's mRNA after agency drama

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Post by blindriver3 »

idiotsecant wrote: post #78
blindriver wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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He's the opposite of data driven. Moderna did in fact include several studies together encompassing over 40 thousand patients over a diverse demographic group. In fact, they designed the study program only after the approval of the FDA was already given for it. It's a perfectly normal drug trial. This guy wanted his name in headlines and so he decided to just go ahead with 'vaccine bad' against the will of literally…

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Re: FDA advisors unanimously vote to approve Moderna's mRNA after agency drama

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Post by blindriver3 »

SeanLuke wrote: post #79
blindriver wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Note that Prasad didn't reject their application: he prevented Moderna from even applying. Prasad overrode a phalanx of FDA career scientists who had studied and approved Moderna's study approach and were ready to review it. He did so suddenly and without warning: the FDA up to that point had not raised any concerns about Moderna's trial protocol. He didn't cite any safety or efficacy issues. This wasn't the only tim…

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Re: FDA advisors unanimously vote to approve Moderna's mRNA after agency drama

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Post by zzleeper »

dogmatism wrote: post #41
epistasis wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For normal research universities, like UCSF, the titles of Professor and Associate Professors have tenure. Assistant Professors are tenure-track, meaning that they have the chance to get tenure. Prasad has the title of Professor.

One can make the argument that Prasad has his title of Professor due to the stature he gained with his ill-founded contrarianism and subsequent notoriety. He was promoted in 2022 at the somewhat astonishing age of 39, at a time when his actual scientific output was not particularly high The whole thing is kind of fascinating. Some of his "skeptic" fellow travelers like Cifu and Mandrola still carry water for him. Pre…

I really wonder what's up with that. Also remember the crazy Stanford guys.. did something flip in their brain or were they just always like that?

Re: FDA advisors unanimously vote to approve Moderna's mRNA after agency drama

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Post by _DeadFred_ »

nfw2 wrote: post #60
_DeadFred_ wrote: post #59

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I was more middle of the road. I live in a rural red red state. Then during COVID people would yell at my dying of cancer mother on chemo for wearing a mask while grocery shopping. Eventually the stores had to set special hours so people like her could shop without harassment. My politics have been greatly impacted. I was shown there is no compassionate conservative, that is just cover for 'fuck everyone who is not m…

> they don't care to step in and impose compassion, so they might as well not exist. Is this not what the store owners did?

Zero patrons inside the stores cared/did anything. A business structuring things to prevent a scene is not compassion in my mind, just like pride awareness by businesses wasn't actual pride awareness.

Re: FDA advisors unanimously vote to approve Moderna's mRNA after agency drama

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Post by Arainach »

blindriver3 wrote: post #87
SeanLuke wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Note that Prasad didn't reject their application: he prevented Moderna from even applying. Prasad overrode a phalanx of FDA career scientists who had studied and approved Moderna's study approach and were ready to review it. He did so suddenly and without warning: the FDA up to that point had not raised any concerns about Moderna's trial protocol. He didn't cite any safety or efficacy issues. This wasn't the only tim…

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