Quoting Zuckerberg on Meta’s code of conduct is hilarious.
Petition against Meta's employee training data collection for ML models
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#42Earlier quoted context omitted.
why should i feel bad that people are treated like slaves because they chose to do the bidding of a supervillain? those people made the decision to sell their souls and act as conduits for evil. personally I'd rather focus on the other people affected by supervillains ... because there are billions of us and we didn't choose to be treated this way.
Because if we don't then the rich can divide and conquer. We need to stand united, even with the Meta techbros.
could you please explain why should I unite with people that are actively working against my interests? getting paid a meta salary means they are richer than any other salaryman on earth. so meta workers are not humble salarymen working humble jobs, they are craven sycophants doing the bidding of a man who is openly happy to rape his fellow men for personal profit. why would it benefit me to unite with somebody who thinks it's okay to profit from the suffering of his fellow man?
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#43Earlier quoted context omitted.
I find Metas work very unethical but me but I think they should have basic workers rights still. Like yes what Meta is doing is legal and it’s at will work, but this level of surveillance feels like something the law didn’t really anticipate.
I don’t disagree. It’s dehumanizing, and they have a legitimate complaint. In almost any other context I’d be on the side of the workers here. I just have a hard time seeing Meta employees as innocent or helpless bystanders.
Yeah, this is very much a "leopards ate my face" moment.
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#44It’s a bit hard to feel sympathetic here. Those signing this petition actively enable and profit from one of the most pervasive surveillance networks ever built. Funny how much easier it is to tolerate something when it only affects other people.
People uphold a million cruel systems every day, their sort of hypocrisy is so common I've found it just to accept that it's how humans work (especially in a situation like this where their paycheck requires them to not see all the privacy problems they all support). I know I'm hypocritical about a bunch of stuff in my life. Your perspective might be the more reasonable one but the way I see it, the hypocrisy is frus…
...it's the intrinsic nature of the programmer to have no scruples and work for the shittiest company that can employ them because it offers a big paycheck?
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#45Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I think they should have basic workers rights still You make it look like they are underpaid poor manual workers. Those are people that chose to make >500k$/year by joining a company that is known to be one of the most toxic tech companies. Mos tof those people had probably multiple offers ad decided to optimize for money besides anything else. I have a hard time to feel sympathy or petition for their "worker's rig…
Workers are workers. We have so much more in common with one another than we do with the capital class. Turning against a worker because they are doing better than another worker is giving in the divide and rule. Historically, this is exactly how factory owners tried to get the white and Black workers to schism rather than unionize. Workers deserve workers rights, and we should have solidarity towards all workers.
I guess man. This kind of doesn't apply to workers who are enabling the bourgeoisie state (cops, programmers making systems to feed data to the NSA, etc.)
Re: Petition against Meta's employee training data collection for ML models
#46Earlier quoted context omitted.
People uphold a million cruel systems every day, their sort of hypocrisy is so common I've found it just to accept that it's how humans work (especially in a situation like this where their paycheck requires them to not see all the privacy problems they all support). I know I'm hypocritical about a bunch of stuff in my life. Your perspective might be the more reasonable one but the way I see it, the hypocrisy is frus…
...it's the intrinsic nature of the programmer to have no scruples and work for the shittiest company that can employ them because it offers a big paycheck?
Basically, yes.
Re: Petition against Meta's employee training data collection for ML models
#47Petition? What do you think this is, a democracy? All* corporations are dictatorships, and you're disposable machinery in one. Irony is off the charts here, given what you helped build. *not Mondragon, but like, pretty much all.
Petitioning a king is very traditional.
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#48Signing this sounds like a good way to get fired. Executive in corporations gets to make the decisions. Employment is at will, if you don’t like it you get to leave otherwise you’re not fulfilling your contract
NAL but it may be protected activity to improve working conditionals. I would guess Meta leadership doesn’t actually care very much if someone signed it. And typically the people making firing decisions are not necessarily the ones that want the AI training data anyway.
Re: Petition against Meta's employee training data collection for ML models
#49Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I think they should have basic workers rights still You make it look like they are underpaid poor manual workers. Those are people that chose to make >500k$/year by joining a company that is known to be one of the most toxic tech companies. Mos tof those people had probably multiple offers ad decided to optimize for money besides anything else. I have a hard time to feel sympathy or petition for their "worker's rig…
The thing about workers' rights, is that they are rights. They don't go away when you get paid more, and they apply to everyone.
But that is also the thing about everyone's rights. No one should be subject to Facebook's surveillance, whether they work for Facebook or not.
Re: Petition against Meta's employee training data collection for ML models
#50It’s a bit hard to feel sympathetic here. Those signing this petition actively enable and profit from one of the most pervasive surveillance networks ever built. Funny how much easier it is to tolerate something when it only affects other people.
People uphold a million cruel systems every day, their sort of hypocrisy is so common I've found it just to accept that it's how humans work (especially in a situation like this where their paycheck requires them to not see all the privacy problems they all support). I know I'm hypocritical about a bunch of stuff in my life. Your perspective might be the more reasonable one but the way I see it, the hypocrisy is frus…
If this is "how humans work", do you feel sympathy for the Nazis who were "just following orders"?