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Re: Petition against Meta's employee training data collection for ML models

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Post by gacgacgac »

siren2026 wrote: post #21
ianm218 wrote: post #13

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I find Metas work very unethical but me but I think they should have basic workers rights still. Like yes what Meta is doing is legal and it’s at will work, but this level of surveillance feels like something the law didn’t really anticipate.

> I think they should have basic workers rights still You make it look like they are underpaid poor manual workers. Those are people that chose to make >500k$/year by joining a company that is known to be one of the most toxic tech companies. Mos tof those people had probably multiple offers ad decided to optimize for money besides anything else. I have a hard time to feel sympathy or petition for their "worker's rig…

Workers are workers. We have so much more in common with one another than we do with the capital class.

Turning against a worker because they are doing better than another worker is giving in the divide and rule.

Historically, this is exactly how factory owners tried to get the white and Black workers to schism rather than unionize.

Workers deserve workers rights, and we should have solidarity towards all workers.

Re: Petition against Meta's employee training data collection for ML models

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Post by xboxnolifes »

siren2026 wrote: post #21
ianm218 wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I find Metas work very unethical but me but I think they should have basic workers rights still. Like yes what Meta is doing is legal and it’s at will work, but this level of surveillance feels like something the law didn’t really anticipate.

> I think they should have basic workers rights still You make it look like they are underpaid poor manual workers. Those are people that chose to make >500k$/year by joining a company that is known to be one of the most toxic tech companies. Mos tof those people had probably multiple offers ad decided to optimize for money besides anything else. I have a hard time to feel sympathy or petition for their "worker's rig…

The thing about workers' rights, is that they are rights. They don't go away when you get paid more, and they apply to everyone.

Re: Petition against Meta's employee training data collection for ML models

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Post by wahnfrieden »

foltik wrote: post #6

It’s a bit hard to feel sympathetic here. Those signing this petition actively enable and profit from one of the most pervasive surveillance networks ever built. Funny how much easier it is to tolerate something when it only affects other people.

The workers deserve better conditions without full accountability for leadership's decisions.

If Meta's workers were organized enough to improve their conditions, they could organize to shift company mission and tactics. They are nowhere near organized enough.

Re: Petition against Meta's employee training data collection for ML models

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Post by Fnoord »

soundworlds wrote: post #19
refactor_master wrote: post #9

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> Google is your friend But really, it's more like tolerated business partner, right?

I've been using Kagi for the last year, and it is like an actually helpful business partner. Even if you use another one, we need to break the myth that Google is the only option out there.

If you're not paying Google, you're the product. Same with Facebook. Both of these companies are data mining/harvesting and advertising.

I'm also a Kagi user, but the index they mainly use is Google's. So I am paying for a good UI, a couple of nice features, and a frontend/proxy.

The only independent index I am aware of, is Mojeek.

Re: Petition against Meta's employee training data collection for ML models

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Post by tdb7893 »

foltik wrote: post #6

It’s a bit hard to feel sympathetic here. Those signing this petition actively enable and profit from one of the most pervasive surveillance networks ever built. Funny how much easier it is to tolerate something when it only affects other people.

People uphold a million cruel systems every day, their sort of hypocrisy is so common I've found it just to accept that it's how humans work (especially in a situation like this where their paycheck requires them to not see all the privacy problems they all support). I know I'm hypocritical about a bunch of stuff in my life.

Your perspective might be the more reasonable one but the way I see it, the hypocrisy is frustrating but it's sort of like getting mad at a dog for barking through a fence (dogs gonna dog) so I personally don't find it hard to be sympathetic still.

Re: Petition against Meta's employee training data collection for ML models

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Post by jeltz »

thin_carapace wrote: post #18
cyanydeez wrote: post #8

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why should i feel bad that people are treated like slaves because they chose to do the bidding of a supervillain? those people made the decision to sell their souls and act as conduits for evil. personally I'd rather focus on the other people affected by supervillains ... because there are billions of us and we didn't choose to be treated this way.

Because if we don't then the rich can divide and conquer. We need to stand united, even with the Meta techbros.
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