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HPV vaccine cuts risk of dying from cervical cancer before 30

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Re: HPV vaccine cuts risk of dying from cervical cancer before 30

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Post by root_axis »

zulux wrote: post #45
kelipso wrote: post #28

I remember this vaccine being part of political discourse, so I everyone should be extremely skeptical of any news about it.

At one point, it was encouraged that 9-year-olds get the vaccine. As a parent, I'd rather my child wait until their immune system is more developed, with the idea being that if they're getting STDs at age 9, then there's a bigger problem.

What age do you recommend and why?

> I'd rather my child wait until their immune system is more developed

At what age is the immune system fully developed?

Re: HPV vaccine cuts risk of dying from cervical cancer before 30

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Post by Taniwha »

moralestapia wrote: post #46

What's the rate for the unvaccinated group? So a comparison can be made vs. the vaccinated one. The fact that they leave this out is a bit weird, sloppy journalism I guess.

This is a vaccine that does contribute to herd immunity, if enough people get it then transmission goes to 0 and it dies out, even unvaccinated people wont get it, because of the vaccine. The article says "0 cases" in the entire population, in this case the people who get vaccinated are carrying the unvaccinated

Re: HPV vaccine cuts risk of dying from cervical cancer before 30

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

moralestapia wrote: post #48
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> From what risk level without them? “Approximately 0.6 percent of women will be diagnosed with cervical cancer at some point during their lifetime, based on 2021–2023 data” [1]. Given “reports of serious health issues after HPV vaccination were consistently rare—around 1.8 per 100,000 HPV vaccine doses, or 0.0018%” [2], a woman suffers a 300x higher hazard (assuming we measure a serious vaccine reaction as being equ…

Thanks for the data. 4,462 out of the whole population (of women etc.). Would you subjectively describe that number as "almost zero"?

> Would you subjectively describe that number as "almost zero"?

Sure. If the only effect were on under-30s, this wouldn’t be a great vaccine. What 5,000 people is good for, however, is confidently measuring decline in a cohort. Zero deaths, even against a baseline of tens, strongly implies this should cross into the tend or hundreds of thousands over the next decades in populations that keep vaccination rates up.

Re: HPV vaccine cuts risk of dying from cervical cancer before 30

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Post by jhbadger »

smelendez wrote: post #49
rationalist wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> outside of the UK > I don't know why My guess is because it has a negative connotation (the pre-2020 definition of jabbing someone was to hit someone, not inject someone).

In the UK, I believe jab has long been equivalent to shot in the US (complete with nonviolent connotation despite the word meaning something violent in other contexts).

Maybe, but it's a bit weird to complain about connotations for "jab" when the US word is "shot" which surely has even more violent connotations,

Re: HPV vaccine cuts risk of dying from cervical cancer before 30

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Post by naturalmovement »

nikolay wrote: post #40

My oldest daughter almost died from the first Gardasil, so you may not die from cervical cancer, but die from something else. I am not against vaccines; my kids are all fully vaccinated on a spaced-out schedule and not taking more than one shot in at least 2 months, and so am I, but the HPV vaccine was not mandatory, so, given the experience and the similar genetics, we didn't do it for the other two kids. Yeah, ther…

I find it extremely troubling that this comment detailing your very personal experience was flagged because it went against a prescribed narrative.

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Post by naturalmovement »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #42
arjie wrote: post #33

Every time HPV comes up, someone says “guys should get the vaccine too” but I’ve never managed to succeed. Even after last time someone mentioned it I tried and I got the absolutely worst result where they recorded me as being given it but then said it wasn’t meant for men my age. Had to get it removed from the record by the One Medical people I saw next. And when I saw them, they said it wouldn’t be covered under in…

I (male, 40s) paid Planned Parenthood in Florida for the three Gardasil doses out of pocket after the male age limit was raised to 45 circa October 2018 (as I wanted to ensure I was vaccinated before exiting the permitted age limit). Insurance covered it for my kids with no cost at their pediatrician. Ask your doctor, get a quote, if you’re unsure what the cost might be. Your insurance may cover it with no cost to yo…

Are you a divorced dad dipping your wick left and right or did you get it merely for the sake of doing so?

The reason insurance does not pay for it at that age is because it makes no sense.

Re: HPV vaccine cuts risk of dying from cervical cancer before 30

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Post by toomuchtodo »

naturalmovement wrote: post #88
toomuchtodo wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I (male, 40s) paid Planned Parenthood in Florida for the three Gardasil doses out of pocket after the male age limit was raised to 45 circa October 2018 (as I wanted to ensure I was vaccinated before exiting the permitted age limit). Insurance covered it for my kids with no cost at their pediatrician. Ask your doctor, get a quote, if you’re unsure what the cost might be. Your insurance may cover it with no cost to yo…

Are you a divorced dad dipping your wick left and right or did you get it merely for the sake of doing so? The reason insurance does not pay for it at that age is because it makes no sense.

Married ~20 years and ethically non monogamous. My partner and I date women together and solo. ~$1k to protect other people is cheap and is looked upon favorably by potential partners (I am able to provide vaccination and most recent STI test results on demand when asked).

Even if you’re monogamous, life is long and divorce common. I walk through cheap optionality doors whenever possible, and recommend others do to. YMMV.

8 facts about divorce in the United States - https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2025/10/16/8-facts-a... - October 16th, 2025

> Divorce is an important aspect of family life in the United States that shapes living arrangements, financial well-being and parenting. In 2023, over 1.8 million Americans divorced. Additionally, a third of Americans who have ever been married have also experienced divorce.

> Many adults who divorce go on to form new families through cohabitation, remarriage or having more children. For instance, most adults who have divorced (66%) have gone on to remarry. And among those who have divorced and are currently remarried, 46% have had a child with their new spouse.

Re: HPV vaccine cuts risk of dying from cervical cancer before 30

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Post by economistbob »

Death risk was already low in many places.

Over a period of 30 years, approximately 400 women died of the disease under age 25 in the USA. [1] So many women's deaths were reported to VAERS in relationship to the HPV vaccination that it exceeded the death rate of the disease itself in the United States after approval. In the safety systems setup in 1986 in exchange for immunity for the vaccine manufacturers, the death rate from the HPV vaccine itself exceeds the death rates of cervical cancer, and that says nothing about the tens of thousands of other adverse events.

Dr. Harper was responsible for the phase 2 and phase 3 safety and effectiveness studies and made a speech and said she was making it so she could "clear her conscience so she could sleep at night" On October 2, 2009 in Reston Virginia at the 4th International Conference on Vaccination.

She specifically said that the vaccination was unlikely to have any effect upon the rate of cervical cancer in the United States. If it would not reduce in the United States, why would it reduce it elsewhere? Most reportage since that time frame relates to total cancer cancers and treats the injections as risk free.

The approved vaccination received approval for 4 strains out of more than 40 known.

And while studies are retracted related to fertility -- the hard data from fertility services providers is not. Gravidity (the number of times one is pregnant) is about halved for the HPV vaccinated vs the unvaccinated.

There have also been large scale studies indicating the same, but when politics retracts something, many believe that one should ignore that document. The raw gravidity counts on the other hand, are a observable fact. The vaccinated patients were even older, which makes it even worse, because those are older women who have had more time to be pregnant. [2]

Gravidity is a fact. So is cutting it by half via HPV correlation Read link two. Look at those gravidity numbers for vaccinated women and unvaccinated women. HPV vaccination may not be caused by eugenics but it is certainly correlated with it.

1. https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2827212

2. https://www.fertstert.org/article/S0015-0282(23)00478-8/full...

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