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HPV vaccine cuts risk of dying from cervical cancer before 30

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Re: HPV vaccine cuts risk of dying from cervical cancer before 30

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Post by rationalist »

Supermancho wrote: post #47
rationalist wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> outside of the UK > I don't know why My guess is because it has a negative connotation (the pre-2020 definition of jabbing someone was to hit someone, not inject someone).

> UK during the COVID-19 pandemic of 2021, when public health campaigns urged people to "get the jab." Asked and answered, ty. The term was popularized the US during the pandemic as well. It seemed like it was used by conservative media in the US to try to further politicize vaccination as something being inflicted on them.

I got the covid vaccine (Pfizer) and I still get other vaccines, but it was 100% "inflicted" on everyone (especially with the Federal government requiring civil servants to get it). To believe otherwise is to succumb to the politicalization of it (from everyone other than the conservative media). The rush job was sketchy, which is why I went with the established brand when I volunteered with CERT at our vaccination POD to distribute vaccines to the public.

Edit: and the politicalization of it continues... sigh

> Asked and answered, ty.

Yes, the person I responded to asked, and yes, I was the only person who answered. You're welcome?

Re: HPV vaccine cuts risk of dying from cervical cancer before 30

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Post by kstrauser »

Supermancho wrote: post #47
rationalist wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> outside of the UK > I don't know why My guess is because it has a negative connotation (the pre-2020 definition of jabbing someone was to hit someone, not inject someone).

> UK during the COVID-19 pandemic of 2021, when public health campaigns urged people to "get the jab." Asked and answered, ty. The term was popularized the US during the pandemic as well. It seemed like it was used by conservative media in the US to try to further politicize vaccination as something being inflicted on them.

Yep, often accompanied by an idiotic fake distinction between "jab/shot" and "vaccine", like "it's not a vaccine, it's a shot!"

True: There are shots which aren't vaccines, and vaccines which aren't shots.

False: "The COVID 'vaccine' isn't actually a vaccine! It's a jab!"

Re: HPV vaccine cuts risk of dying from cervical cancer before 30

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Post by mullingitover »

TZubiri wrote: post #69
mullingitover wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I fear that we have a risk budget, so when STD risk is reduced via a cure or prophylaxis, humans increase the amount of sex they have until the STD rate stabilizes again. Nope. Gen Z rather famously is not having a lot of sex despite all the scary STDs not being as scary as they’ve been historically.

Granted they also do less alcohol and drugs I hear. But it's still very early in that cohort's life, and there's also going to be other next cohorts. The expected timespan for the benefit of this cure to dissipate would be in the decades.

Is your expectation that Gen Z is going to do something no other generation has done and start having more sex as they get older?

For most policymakers, if curing STDs is what it takes to coax people into having more sex (and thus hopefully adding net positive numbers to their labor force) they'd put Manhattan Project-level funding into the effort.

Meanwhile cervical cancer was never really a thing that people associated with STDs, up until the point that the vaccine knocked out the strain of HPV that was causing it.

Re: HPV vaccine cuts risk of dying from cervical cancer before 30

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Post by chasely »

blcknight wrote: post #19
eek2121 wrote: post #8

Just a note: the article focuses on the ladies, but men should absolutely get it as well because it cuts risk for other types of cancers. I was looking for a better link, however this is the only one I found (I had an older one saved, however I can't find it): https://www.cnn.com/2026/04/24/health/hpv-men-vaccine-cancer...

For some reason not really talked about in mainstream medicine for straight men. It makes no sense. Very safe vaccine and you're eligible into your 40's to get it. Everyone sexually active probably has some strains but not all.

I was denied the vaccine by my healthcare provider as a man in my mid-20s. Their reasoning being that I was likely already exposed.

It may have been true, but would still have liked to get the vaccine since it covers many multiple strains.

Re: HPV vaccine cuts risk of dying from cervical cancer before 30

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Post by bluedevil2k »

nikolay wrote: post #40

My oldest daughter almost died from the first Gardasil, so you may not die from cervical cancer, but die from something else. I am not against vaccines; my kids are all fully vaccinated on a spaced-out schedule and not taking more than one shot in at least 2 months, and so am I, but the HPV vaccine was not mandatory, so, given the experience and the similar genetics, we didn't do it for the other two kids. Yeah, ther…

> my kids are all fully vaccinated on a spaced-out schedule and not taking more than one shot in at least 2 months

Why? At what point did you say “I know a better vaccine schedule than highly trained specialist doctors who have done decades of research on hundreds of thousand of children”? You don’t find this incredibly naive to think you know better than them?

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Post by naturalmovement »

bluedevil2k wrote: post #75
nikolay wrote: post #40

My oldest daughter almost died from the first Gardasil, so you may not die from cervical cancer, but die from something else. I am not against vaccines; my kids are all fully vaccinated on a spaced-out schedule and not taking more than one shot in at least 2 months, and so am I, but the HPV vaccine was not mandatory, so, given the experience and the similar genetics, we didn't do it for the other two kids. Yeah, ther…

> my kids are all fully vaccinated on a spaced-out schedule and not taking more than one shot in at least 2 months Why? At what point did you say “I know a better vaccine schedule than highly trained specialist doctors who have done decades of research on hundreds of thousand of children”? You don’t find this incredibly naive to think you know better than them?

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Re: HPV vaccine cuts risk of dying from cervical cancer before 30

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Post by WorkerBee28474 »

moralestapia wrote: post #46

What's the rate for the unvaccinated group? So a comparison can be made vs. the vaccinated one. The fact that they leave this out is a bit weird, sloppy journalism I guess.

Looking at https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11733696/ it seems like the base rate was 0.04 per 100,000. So ~70 female deaths per year in a population the size of the USA. That link suggests the mortality rate was reduced by a factor of 2-4, so vaccinating 2 million (?) girls per year saves 30-50 lives.

Some back-of-the-napkin math puts the price tag per life saved in the 8 digit range.

Re: HPV vaccine cuts risk of dying from cervical cancer before 30

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Post by ourmandave »

nikolay wrote: post #40

My oldest daughter almost died from the first Gardasil, so you may not die from cervical cancer, but die from something else. I am not against vaccines; my kids are all fully vaccinated on a spaced-out schedule and not taking more than one shot in at least 2 months, and so am I, but the HPV vaccine was not mandatory, so, given the experience and the similar genetics, we didn't do it for the other two kids. Yeah, ther…

When you got the shot didn't they tell you about the possible side effects and what to watch for?

I know for the Covid vaccine I had to sit for an hour to make sure of something not happening.

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