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Re: Identity verification on Claude

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Post by simoncion »

baka367 wrote: post #490
Aurornis wrote: post #437

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Despite what’s being implied everywhere, this ID check page has been there since April. Wayback Machine if you don’t believe me: https://web.archive.org/web/20260415064244/https://support.c... > As a non-US citizen Opus 4.8 is the best American LLM I will ever have access to. That's no longer up for debate or question. This is a crazy conclusion for a situation that isn’t even two weeks old. LLMs are not the first te…

This decision has, effectively, turned LMMs into a supply chain risk. Before this incident I’d gladly use any anthropic LLM in production features. Right now, this has become a risky decision that can tank my business overnight.

> Right now, this has become a risky decision that can tank my business overnight.

If your business-critical systems rely on SAAS that doesn't have a solid SLA and breach-of-contract provisions that more than cover the damages in the event, you've made "a risky decision that can tank [your] business overnight".

If the software your business depends on can't run indefinitely without getting permission to operate from someone else's systems, then you're perpetually at risk of someone else tanking your business because they decided that you can no longer use that software.

Re: Identity verification on Claude

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Post by ethbr1 »

furyofantares wrote: post #493
dalemhurley wrote: post #432

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Why, is there any evidence to support your claim?

Polymarket gives 32% chance the ban on Fable is lifted this month. Even if it's never lifted, probably GPT 5.6 will be better than Opus 4.8 and they won't hype it up as too dangerous to release before releasing it. Open models will catch up to Opus 4.8 and state of the art will, most likely, continue to get better. It won't be long before "better than Opus 4.8" is not a big deal.

> probably GPT 5.6 will be better than Opus 4.8 and they won't hype it up as too dangerous to release before releasing it.

If you buy the story that Anthropic's marketing hype drove US regulation, then I have a bridge to sell you.

The best case real reason is Anthropic pissed off the administration.

Which will leave OpenAI, Google, Meta, and X far more vulnerable to government data sharing requests... and KYC identity is incredibly valuable to mandate for those.

Re: Identity verification on Claude

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Post by matheusmoreira »

nozzlegear wrote: post #485
matheusmoreira wrote: post #457

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> As a non-US citizen Opus 4.8 is the best American LLM I will ever have access to. > Each month that I pay Anthropic is now a depreciating value -- I'm paying for models I'll never be able to access, while other models are able to catch up. Excellent point... That made me rethink my payments to Anthropic. As one of the foreign peasants who was banned from accessing Fable by the land of the free, it's become really h…

> banned from accessing Fable by the land of the free It should go without saying, but "the free" in "the land of the free" refers to Americans, not everyone else. Not sure if you were trying to make it sound like a great irony that "the land of the free" would exclude or ban people, but if so it doesn't quite hit the mark. A more cutting criticism would be that the land of the free isn't letting one of its own compa…

Fair point. The fact that even americans got cut off from Fable is definitely ironic though. I suppose that's going to be fixed now that they're implementing identity verification. And even that runs smack into the concept of freedom since freedom under surveillance isn't real.

Re: Identity verification on Claude

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Post by Havoc »

>Verification data stays between you, Persona

The company that already had a data breach incident & has ties to palantir. Also used by OpenAI to ensure you can't escape it.

Now we just need to tie this in with Sam's eyeball scanning tech for maximum dystopia vibes

Re: Identity verification on Claude

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Post by [deleted] »

selcuka wrote: post #484
objclxt wrote: post #245

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> Many such IDs are designed for local physical verification, like proof that the mobile phone owner is above certain age or has a valid driving license, they are not designed for remote verification. This is incorrect, the Digital Credentials API[1] is designed so that identity information can be remotely verified in a cryptographically secure manner. There is no reason Anthropic could not use the DC API for this in…

> they threw this together at the last minute and simply out-sourced it to Persona. They could have vibe-coded their own verification system that uses DC APIs. It shouldn't take long, assuming that Anthropic still has access to Fable. /s

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Re: Identity verification on Claude

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Post by redserk »

simoncion wrote: post #501
baka367 wrote: post #490

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This decision has, effectively, turned LMMs into a supply chain risk. Before this incident I’d gladly use any anthropic LLM in production features. Right now, this has become a risky decision that can tank my business overnight.

> Right now, this has become a risky decision that can tank my business overnight. If your business-critical systems rely on SAAS that doesn't have a solid SLA and breach-of-contract provisions that more than cover the damages in the event, you've made "a risky decision that can tank [your] business overnight". If the software your business depends on can't run indefinitely without getting permission to operate from…

Anyone doing product integrations should recognize it’s a perpetual risk but why stick to the platform that will require US citizenship demands for future models especially when there are other labs with reasonably comparable performance that don’t require this?

Anthropic didn’t have to beg for the government to deem their models a security crisis.

Re: Identity verification on Claude

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Post by claudecheers »

Currently going through all my claude web chats and building conversation logs and downloading all my files as well as using the export function. Getting throttled pretty hard now. I have a max20 plan and will be canceling it at the end of my billing cycle. What disappointing news! I was all in until this identity verification requirement. I guess I will have to try out deepseek now.

Re: Identity verification on Claude

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Post by chickensong »

matheusmoreira wrote: post #461
crote wrote: post #368

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> 99+% of people will just do the ID verification and move on Why? Is Claude really so much better that the additional hassle and privacy invasion is worth it? What's stopping people from switching to one of the dozen or so other AI tools? Heck, considering the volatility of the LLM industry, shouldn't everyone already be using OpenRouter & friends to avoid getting screwed over by the model-of-the-week - making a swi…

Subscription prices. Anthropic subscription can't be used with third party harnesses. OpenRouter would require me to pay API prices.

This is the reason.

Re: Identity verification on Claude

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Post by furyofantares »

ethbr1 wrote: post #502
furyofantares wrote: post #493

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Polymarket gives 32% chance the ban on Fable is lifted this month. Even if it's never lifted, probably GPT 5.6 will be better than Opus 4.8 and they won't hype it up as too dangerous to release before releasing it. Open models will catch up to Opus 4.8 and state of the art will, most likely, continue to get better. It won't be long before "better than Opus 4.8" is not a big deal.

> probably GPT 5.6 will be better than Opus 4.8 and they won't hype it up as too dangerous to release before releasing it. If you buy the story that Anthropic's marketing hype drove US regulation, then I have a bridge to sell you. The best case real reason is Anthropic pissed off the administration. Which will leave OpenAI, Google, Meta, and X far more vulnerable to government data sharing requests... and KYC identit…

That is my best guess too, which is an even better case for better-than-Opus-4.8 models being available from OpenAI without drawing the attention of the administration.

I do think their marketing hype was a factor though even in this narrative. Andrew Jassy tells a vengeful admin that there's this jailbreak for a model Anthropic said was dangerous, and vengeful admin seizes the opportunity to take vengeance.

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