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HPV vaccine cuts risk of dying from cervical cancer before 30

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Re: HPV vaccine cuts risk of dying from cervical cancer before 30

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Post by toomuchtodo »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #18
apparent wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They could do that, but given how low the base rate is, the reduction in number of procedures (and the resulting negative impacts on the women) would be incredibly low. It seems the base rate for cervical cancer deaths under 30 was already near zero.

> given how low the base rate is, the reduction in number of procedures (and the resulting negative impacts on the women) would be incredibly low Correct. These data are more a preview of what we can expect to see as the vaccinated cohort (in countries that aren’t pro-disease) advances in age.

Indeed, Australia will be one of the first countries to eliminate cervical cancer (by 2035) due to their HPV vaccine vaccination uptake rates.

Two decades to get here, one to go.

https://www.health.gov.au/ministers/the-hon-rebecca-white-mp...

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC13036706/

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S009829972...

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cd6w15vgp7lo

Re: HPV vaccine cuts risk of dying from cervical cancer before 30

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Post by toomuchtodo »

arjie wrote: post #33

Every time HPV comes up, someone says “guys should get the vaccine too” but I’ve never managed to succeed. Even after last time someone mentioned it I tried and I got the absolutely worst result where they recorded me as being given it but then said it wasn’t meant for men my age. Had to get it removed from the record by the One Medical people I saw next. And when I saw them, they said it wouldn’t be covered under in…

I (male, 40s) paid Planned Parenthood in Florida for the three Gardasil doses out of pocket after the male age limit was raised to 45 circa October 2018 (as I wanted to ensure I was vaccinated before exiting the permitted age limit). Insurance covered it for my kids with no cost at their pediatrician.

Ask your doctor, get a quote, if you’re unsure what the cost might be. Your insurance may cover it with no cost to you.

https://sph.umich.edu/pursuit/2018posts/fda-approves-hpv-vac...

Re: HPV vaccine cuts risk of dying from cervical cancer before 30

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Post by seattle_spring »

kelipso wrote: post #28

I remember this vaccine being part of political discourse, so I everyone should be extremely skeptical of any news about it.

The only ones making the HPV vaccine "political" are the morons who think it shouldn't be administered because it increases promiscuity, or the ones who mistakenly think vaccines cause more harm than they help.

Re: HPV vaccine cuts risk of dying from cervical cancer before 30

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Post by cma »

Gigachad wrote: post #10
pfdietz wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The estimated number of deaths from cervical cancer in the US in 2026 is 4,200. The death rate is 2.2 per 100,000 people down from 3.1 per 100,000 in 1992. If we multiply 3.1e-5 by 50 years that's about a 0.15% chance of dying of this cancer. The HPV shots cost $500-1000 for the three shots, so the cost per life saved is about $650K. With the statistical value of a human life being about $12M this is quite cost effec…

Even if you just consider all of those 4000 + survivors would have got treatment for the cancer after getting it which costs far more than a vaccine.

Yep and significantly more than the death count would have needed expensive treatment and be out of the workforce for a time or permanently. Also the charged price isn't real cost to the economy. If they have a big margin on it after fixed research/approval expenses lots of it feeds back into the economy through taxes and dividends/reinvestment in other drug development.

Beyond death, it can also cause sterility and people may end up with extremely expensive IVF surrogacy pregnancies etc.

Re: HPV vaccine cuts risk of dying from cervical cancer before 30

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Post by zulux »

kelipso wrote: post #28

I remember this vaccine being part of political discourse, so I everyone should be extremely skeptical of any news about it.

At one point, it was encouraged that 9-year-olds get the vaccine.

As a parent, I'd rather my child wait until their immune system is more developed, with the idea being that if they're getting STDs at age 9, then there's a bigger problem.

Re: HPV vaccine cuts risk of dying from cervical cancer before 30

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Post by Supermancho »

rationalist wrote: post #38
graeme wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the UK it's commonly said, and the Guardian is a UK paper. Though you've noticed a real thing: for some reason during and after the pandemic publications outside of the UK started saying it too and I don't know why.

> outside of the UK > I don't know why My guess is because it has a negative connotation (the pre-2020 definition of jabbing someone was to hit someone, not inject someone).

> UK during the COVID-19 pandemic of 2021, when public health campaigns urged people to "get the jab."

Asked and answered, ty.

The term was popularized the US during the pandemic as well. It seemed like it was used by conservative media in the US to try to further politicize vaccination as something being inflicted on them.

Re: HPV vaccine cuts risk of dying from cervical cancer before 30

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Post by moralestapia »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #6
apothegm wrote: post #2

From what risk level without them? How many people actually die of cervical cancer before age 30?? I mean, vaccinations and cancer prevention are both great, but this headline is ridiculous.

> From what risk level without them? “Approximately 0.6 percent of women will be diagnosed with cervical cancer at some point during their lifetime, based on 2021–2023 data” [1]. Given “reports of serious health issues after HPV vaccination were consistently rare—around 1.8 per 100,000 HPV vaccine doses, or 0.0018%” [2], a woman suffers a 300x higher hazard (assuming we measure a serious vaccine reaction as being equ…

Thanks for the data.

4,462 out of the whole population (of women etc.).

Would you subjectively describe that number as "almost zero"?

Re: HPV vaccine cuts risk of dying from cervical cancer before 30

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Post by smelendez »

rationalist wrote: post #38
graeme wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the UK it's commonly said, and the Guardian is a UK paper. Though you've noticed a real thing: for some reason during and after the pandemic publications outside of the UK started saying it too and I don't know why.

> outside of the UK > I don't know why My guess is because it has a negative connotation (the pre-2020 definition of jabbing someone was to hit someone, not inject someone).

In the UK, I believe jab has long been equivalent to shot in the US (complete with nonviolent connotation despite the word meaning something violent in other contexts).

Re: HPV vaccine cuts risk of dying from cervical cancer before 30

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Post by moralestapia »

nikolay wrote: post #40

My oldest daughter almost died from the first Gardasil, so you may not die from cervical cancer, but die from something else. I am not against vaccines; my kids are all fully vaccinated on a spaced-out schedule and not taking more than one shot in at least 2 months, and so am I, but the HPV vaccine was not mandatory, so, given the experience and the similar genetics, we didn't do it for the other two kids. Yeah, ther…

My condolences and a hug.

Please forgive others who are insensible in this community and downvote you in spite of the terrible situation you had to deal with.

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