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Re: Identity verification on Claude

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Post by jerry4next »

starik36 wrote: post #425
jerry4next wrote: post #382

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I canceled when they first labeled as a supply chain risk. Switched to codex and neverlooked back. This company will be more evil then Google at the end.

OpenAI had the the same restrictions. Also required you to verify via Persona. I complained and at some point the restrictions were removed. Not sure if because of my complaining or if someone in our org actually verified. https://imgur.com/ugXQ6Eb

Interesting. Never knew about this and thats never happened to me. But good to know.

Re: Identity verification on Claude

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Post by dalemhurley »

furyofantares wrote: post #422
data-ottawa wrote: post #154

The US is really shooting itself in the foot here. The restrictions on LLM models like Fable has created a viable international LLM market where it was difficult to justify investment two weeks ago. As a non-US citizen Opus 4.8 is the best American LLM I will ever have access to. That's no longer up for debate or question. Each month that I pay Anthropic is now a depreciating value -- I'm paying for models I'll never…

> As a non-US citizen Opus 4.8 is the best American LLM I will ever have access to. That's no longer up for debate or question. Not only is it up for debate, I find it extremely unlikely to be true. I don't really disagree with the rest of your post but I very strongly doubt that Opus 4.8 will be the best American LLM you'll have access to this year.

Why, is there any evidence to support your claim?

Re: Identity verification on Claude

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Post by lostmsu »

HarHarVeryFunny wrote: post #51
Rooster61 wrote: post #22

I really don't like that headlines have been surfacing about the US government putting pressure on Anthropic, and now a short time later they are requiring ID's (albeit for certain use cases, but that's a slippery slope). I may very well stop using Claude due to this. Also, who is providing the verification service? We don't want another Discord situation. EDIT: Just saw it's Persona. Definitely dropping Claude now.

I suspect this new Anthropic requirement is coming from their ongoing negotiations with the government to re-enable Fable. Whatever "safety/security" measures the government requires of Anthropic will no doubt also be applied to other US "AI providers", perhaps based on assessed model capability. Apparently OpenAI already had an ID check in place before this. What's going to be interesting is how the US government re…

May I remind you to download GLM 5.2 weights for just in case?

Re: Identity verification on Claude

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Post by dofm »

13415 wrote: post #411
dofm wrote: post #262

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Isn't it because expired IDs drop out of validation databases, fundamentally? So an expired ID is not verifiable in the same way a fake one isn't.

What validation databases and where can you get access to them?

I don’t really know, and I am guessing it varies from country to country anyway.

Re: Identity verification on Claude

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Post by baw-bag »

SV_BubbleTime wrote: post #330
alex_duf wrote: post #203

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It's about covering their arse before reopening Fable 5 They don't care if anyone is using a fake ID, they care that they can send the hot potato back to the American government. That gives them a legitimate "not my fault if people can make fake ids. In fact it's your fault"

Persona isn’t just an id upload. It’s also face scan by video.

Surprised there isn't a "Fake Face" market like a mannequin face delivered to your door.

Re: Identity verification on Claude

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Post by choo-t »

ai_fry_ur_brain wrote: post #365
sinker wrote: post #340

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You're right. I want to say that openai is a viable alternative, but they're even less trustworthy. It might be time for me to start looking into Chinese models or purchasing hardware for local llms, even if the cost amounts to 5-10k.

For 15k you could run the best open source models (that would require 200k in hardware to run) 24/7 at 50 tps for like 5 years straight. Im really not sure why anyone would spend 15k to run local llms. The models you'll be able to run (70b) param models will be incredibly underwhelming.

> For 15k you could run the best open source models (that would require 200k in hardware to run) 24/7 at 50 tps for like 5 years straight.

Is this assuming no price increase and no throttling ?

Re: Identity verification on Claude

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Post by Aurornis »

data-ottawa wrote: post #154

The US is really shooting itself in the foot here. The restrictions on LLM models like Fable has created a viable international LLM market where it was difficult to justify investment two weeks ago. As a non-US citizen Opus 4.8 is the best American LLM I will ever have access to. That's no longer up for debate or question. Each month that I pay Anthropic is now a depreciating value -- I'm paying for models I'll never…

Despite what’s being implied everywhere, this ID check page has been there since April. Wayback Machine if you don’t believe me: https://web.archive.org/web/20260415064244/https://support.c...

> As a non-US citizen Opus 4.8 is the best American LLM I will ever have access to. That's no longer up for debate or question.

This is a crazy conclusion for a situation that isn’t even two weeks old. LLMs are not the first tech product that have been restricted by export controls. These situations pass. Administrations change. Technology evolves. We’ve had export restrictions on different chips and even cryptography software in the past. It doesn’t last forever.

Re: Identity verification on Claude

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Post by Aurornis »

dalemhurley wrote: post #432
furyofantares wrote: post #422

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> As a non-US citizen Opus 4.8 is the best American LLM I will ever have access to. That's no longer up for debate or question. Not only is it up for debate, I find it extremely unlikely to be true. I don't really disagree with the rest of your post but I very strongly doubt that Opus 4.8 will be the best American LLM you'll have access to this year.

Why, is there any evidence to support your claim?

There is a long history of US export restrictions on technologies. They have all been temporary.

It would be extraordinary if this was the beginning of the first ever permanent technology export restriction.

Re: Identity verification on Claude

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Post by FpUser »

cheonic52749 wrote: post #399
pizzly wrote: post #351

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That makes it better, paying money to always having access to the second rate models from US AI providers. The problem remains.

> paying money to always having access to the second rate models from US AI providers. The problem remains. Your alternative: Pay a Chinese or EU company for a third rate model. The choice is yours.

>"The choice is yours."

I think (probably except cases with regulatory restrictions) most will very much prefer to pay for "second rate" models from other suppliers, including China and help them to become premium choice.

Re: Identity verification on Claude

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Post by suddenlybananas »

cheonic52749 wrote: post #399
pizzly wrote: post #351

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That makes it better, paying money to always having access to the second rate models from US AI providers. The problem remains.

> paying money to always having access to the second rate models from US AI providers. The problem remains. Your alternative: Pay a Chinese or EU company for a third rate model. The choice is yours.

They do catch up.
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