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Re: Identity verification on Claude

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Post by WhyNotHugo »

data-ottawa wrote: post #154

The US is really shooting itself in the foot here. The restrictions on LLM models like Fable has created a viable international LLM market where it was difficult to justify investment two weeks ago. As a non-US citizen Opus 4.8 is the best American LLM I will ever have access to. That's no longer up for debate or question. Each month that I pay Anthropic is now a depreciating value -- I'm paying for models I'll never…

The government mandate forcing them to restrict access of new models to American has really cut their legs under them.

This identity verification is a best effort to kinda stay afloat: they can now offer bleeding edge models to US nationals, but not to the other 95% of the world. Their influence is gonna tank quite seriously if the previous mandate is not reversed.

Realistically, their choices are to either implement this, or restrict access to new models entirely, which is a sure way to fall into complete irrelevance.

Re: Identity verification on Claude

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Post by klardotsh »

pimeys wrote: post #252
pyeri wrote: post #197

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you tried one of the Kimi K2 models or the latest GLM models by z.ai? The general consensus is that they're at least at par with Claude's class.

They are but from our evals for example GLM 5.2 (unquantized) performs as well as Opus but uses more tokens and takes more time. I really wish this would change soon but they are not there yet.

Using even double the total tokens and taking, what, 2-3x the time?, still seems worth it if prices are 5x+ cheaper (which OpenRouter [1] claims is the case).

On NeuralWatt for my personal projects at home (not affiliated, just a happy customer), I get so much more mileage out of GLM than I get out of Claude at work, specifically because it's priced as a hammer I can pound any nail-shaped-object with, not a delicacy I need to carefully budget-analyze to try to figure out if it's worth burning my monthly spend limits on this task.

https://openrouter.ai/compare/z-ai/glm-5.2/anthropic/claude-...

Re: Identity verification on Claude

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Post by fragmede »

ares623 wrote: post #370

Once again I just can't help but laugh at how my fellow engineers coddle AI. "Hey, maybe social media shouldn't be made available to children. Let's add some age checks maybe?" "Reee noo that's invasion of privacy it's a slippery slope" "Hey, my totally really, totally dangerous model, is too dangerous for adults. Let's add some checks maybe?" "Oh yes that sounds perfectly reasonable"

Who says that's perfectly reasonable? The first thing to ask any new LLM is how do you make cocaine, to figure out how nerfed it is.

Re: Identity verification on Claude

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Post by atmosx »

btown wrote: post #360
tgsovlerkhgsel wrote: post #322

Most importantly, they state "We [Antrhopic] are not using your identity data to train our models" but "Persona [...] can use your data [...] to improve their ability to prevent fraud." -- in other words, Persona can (and will) use your data to train their models.

Notably, though, Persona does not have access to your Claude interactions, other than your signup/verification date. They’ll train on your uploaded docs and photos, to be sure, but it won’t be correlated to your chats and projects, unless Anthropic is doing things that would make their counsel have heart attacks.

> They’ll train on your uploaded docs and photos, to be sure, but it won’t be correlated to your chats and projects, unless Anthropic is doing things that would make their counsel have heart attacks.

And if they do, they'll apologize with a blog post.

Re: Identity verification on Claude

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Post by AtNightWeCode »

Why use Persona? Most countries have real services for identifying users. Same services that are used when you pay online or do your taxes. At the end it does not really matter I guess. American cloud services are compromised and can no longer be trusted.

Re: Identity verification on Claude

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Post by SXX »

labrador wrote: post #170

ID verification might be a path to allow restricted access to Fable (doesn't mention nationality yet), but I concluded I don't need Fable, which excels more at technical work, because I do therapy/recovery/lifecoach work which Opus is good at. I'm retired and need personal "executive function" type assistance.

Except its like completely useless and insane from security standpoint. Any bad actor will just pay $50 to a meth junkie to register and verify account.

Fortunatelly its all just secuiry theatre so no one cares.

Re: Identity verification on Claude

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Post by baq »

forgetfreeman wrote: post #139
baq wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, it’s my experience from the past 6 months

Heh. I vividly remember the hype cycle around self-driving cars. Roll the tape forward a decade or so and combined R&D spend approaches the GDP of a small industrialized country. Untold millions of column inches, close to a decade of hyperventilating FOMO hype mill output. Net result: some cab companies ended up filing for bankruptcy, but really Uber did that. Crypto bros early claims that blockchain would threaten s…

I don’t care about hype cycles too much, I care about the value I, my team and the teams I work with are getting out of the technology and it is objectively revolutionary. I don’t run token ladders, I don’t play stupid status games, I use the tech because it’s a step function change in most workflows. You can call it hype, I’m calling it a dystopian rat race, the name doesn’t matter as long as we both have mouths to feed.

Re: Identity verification on Claude

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Post by peyton »

woadwarrior01 wrote: post #60
furyofantares wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wouldn't want the government to have your government-issued ID. I have no idea about Persona though.

In the EU and UK, data protection legislation applies to governments' handling of their subjects' data too.

What do you mean? I doubt a person can ask for the deletion of their tax records.

Re: Identity verification on Claude

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Post by spiffistan »

nickandbro wrote: post #362

I understand how this can be incredibly frustrating to non-US users or people who would like to remain anonymous. But from an enforcement perspective makes sense. If someone is able to leverage a jail break to break into a classified system, the government needs to easily be able to track down who that person is.

You can make that silly argument to justify almost any government overreach
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