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Re: Identity verification on Claude

#361

So when the FBI comes to Claude, it will be that much easier now to track down exactly how they have been using the LLM. Maybe a political candidate for the opposing party has something embarrassing there for example.

Isnt your account linked to your bank card anyway? The problem is storing the chat logs.

Re: Identity verification on Claude

#362
I understand how this can be incredibly frustrating to non-US users or people who would like to remain anonymous. But from an enforcement perspective makes sense. If someone is able to leverage a jail break to break into a classified system, the government needs to easily be able to track down who that person is.

Re: Identity verification on Claude

#363

The US is really shooting itself in the foot here. The restrictions on LLM models like Fable has created a viable international LLM market where it was difficult to justify investment two weeks ago. As a non-US citizen Opus 4.8 is the best American LLM I will ever have access to. That's no longer up for debate or question. Each month that I pay Anthropic is now a depreciating value -- I'm paying for models I'll never…

They clearly specify that they accept IDs from most countries. This likely means that they've reached a deal (or hope that they'll reach one) with the US government that lets them share Fable with foreigners, but only as long as they know exactly who it is being shared with. This is off-putting to the HN demographic, but won't change anything in practice. 99+% of people will just do the ID verification and move on.

Persona already had scandals earlier this year:

- https://cybernews.com/privacy/persona-leak-exposes-global-su...

- https://hothardware.com/news/discord-drops-persona-after-use...

It’s off putting outside of HN

Re: Identity verification on Claude

#364

The US is really shooting itself in the foot here. The restrictions on LLM models like Fable has created a viable international LLM market where it was difficult to justify investment two weeks ago. As a non-US citizen Opus 4.8 is the best American LLM I will ever have access to. That's no longer up for debate or question. Each month that I pay Anthropic is now a depreciating value -- I'm paying for models I'll never…

> As a non-US citizen Opus 4.8 is the best American LLM I will ever have access to

No, we are all just waiting for Dario to get scheduled for an Oval Office press conference where he can present a gold trophy to Liberace Hitler and extoll his praises for all the amazing winning he is doing like no one has ever seen before.

Re: Identity verification on Claude

#365
post #340

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed, this is crazy, and is exactly why the administration did what it did. However, every frontier model will require this within months.

You're right. I want to say that openai is a viable alternative, but they're even less trustworthy. It might be time for me to start looking into Chinese models or purchasing hardware for local llms, even if the cost amounts to 5-10k.

For 15k you could run the best open source models (that would require 200k in hardware to run) 24/7 at 50 tps for like 5 years straight.

Im really not sure why anyone would spend 15k to run local llms. The models you'll be able to run (70b) param models will be incredibly underwhelming.

Re: Identity verification on Claude

#366

The US is really shooting itself in the foot here. The restrictions on LLM models like Fable has created a viable international LLM market where it was difficult to justify investment two weeks ago. As a non-US citizen Opus 4.8 is the best American LLM I will ever have access to. That's no longer up for debate or question. Each month that I pay Anthropic is now a depreciating value -- I'm paying for models I'll never…

I also think this makes OpenAI and Anthropic even less viable. They're tens of billions in debt, losing money every month, have data center commitments in the hundreds of billions, and now they're reducing their market to the US? The only way this can work is with substantial government subsidies.

Definitely damaging for their IPOs

Re: Identity verification on Claude

#367

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My assumption was more that this is about getting set up to provide access to Fable to US citizens. I could be mistaken in that regard.

It probably is. But I don't trust personas funders (and the US gov, btw) to only use this data in this regard.

Well, if it's (at the moment) only for verifying US citizenship for access to Fable then giving them your non-US ID won't do anything for you.

Re: Identity verification on Claude

#368

The US is really shooting itself in the foot here. The restrictions on LLM models like Fable has created a viable international LLM market where it was difficult to justify investment two weeks ago. As a non-US citizen Opus 4.8 is the best American LLM I will ever have access to. That's no longer up for debate or question. Each month that I pay Anthropic is now a depreciating value -- I'm paying for models I'll never…

They clearly specify that they accept IDs from most countries. This likely means that they've reached a deal (or hope that they'll reach one) with the US government that lets them share Fable with foreigners, but only as long as they know exactly who it is being shared with. This is off-putting to the HN demographic, but won't change anything in practice. 99+% of people will just do the ID verification and move on.

> 99+% of people will just do the ID verification and move on

Why? Is Claude really so much better that the additional hassle and privacy invasion is worth it? What's stopping people from switching to one of the dozen or so other AI tools?

Heck, considering the volatility of the LLM industry, shouldn't everyone already be using OpenRouter & friends to avoid getting screwed over by the model-of-the-week - making a switch absolutely trivial?

Re: Identity verification on Claude

#369

I wonder if they've deployed Mythos' pen testing against Persona?

Not much pen testing you can do if they decide to cut you off. E.g on Linkedin it only works with NFC-enabled passports so it cryprographically signed by issuer country.

Though considering how many americans dont have passports its will be like shooting themself in a foot.

Re: Identity verification on Claude

#370
Once again I just can't help but laugh at how my fellow engineers coddle AI.

"Hey, maybe social media shouldn't be made available to children. Let's add some age checks maybe?" "Reee noo that's invasion of privacy it's a slippery slope"

"Hey, my totally really, totally dangerous model, is too dangerous for adults. Let's add some checks maybe?" "Oh yes that sounds perfectly reasonable"

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