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Re: The Commodore Callback 8020 smart flip phone

#81

Regarding the price: the reality with all these alternative phones (e.g. the clicks communicator) is that you are going to have to pay a premium to make them worthwhile for the manufacturers. Scale (and the spyware economy) are what allow the larger companies to produce cheaper "better" phones, so comparing a phone like this with them on price isn't super productive. If you want something different than what the mass…

NB, there are sub-$100 feature (and even Android) phones available, though there are compromises to be made. Jose Briones's Dumbphone Finder lists about 45, sorted by price, and that's just what he's reviewed. Going to $250 there are about 65 options.

https://josebriones.org/dumbphone-finder>

Once you're into the Android or Android-adjacent OS territory (LineageOS, SailfishOS (the Callback runs this), /e/OS, iodeOS, etc.), prices approach flagship mainstream Android or iOS devices ($600+ generally), and GrapheneOS specifically requires Google Pixel, at least until the Motorola partnership bears fruit.

And yes, scale of production and the need to be self-supporting rather than relying on business partnerships, advertising, and surveillance capitalism does tend to incur some price premium, though it's still quite possible to find affordable options.

I'd strongly recommend taking a look at Jose Briones's Dumbphone Finder (mentioned and linked above), his website (https://josebriones.org/>), Substack (https://josebriones.substack.com/>), and YouTube phone-review channel (https://inv.nadeko.net/channel/UCFtVwG0NFd6gT3TXfMCU7oA>) in general, and /r/dumbphones on Reddit for more information. I'm going to write a longer top-level comment summarising the current state of my own research into this topic.

There is a larger community oriented around alternative mobile devices including more reviews and technical information. Given that manufacturers often obscure rather than clarify features and capabilities, this is often a preferred source.

Edit: Corrected device support, originally mis-stated LineageOS as restricted, rather than GrapheneOS.

Re: The Commodore Callback 8020 smart flip phone

#82
post #70

> "You don’t need a Google account to operate the device." Now that's progress.

It's typical of de-Googled devices, which includes some tablets which ship without Google Play Services (the adtech tracking infrastructure) activated, as well as Android-derived OSes (GrapheneOS, LineageOS, /e/OS, iodeOS) and AOSP variants (KaiOS). There's Linux and Android bits in there (fairly complete for the first list, less so for AOSP/KaiOS), but at least by default no Google requirements or spyware.

Re: The Commodore Callback 8020 smart flip phone

#83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They are completely ignoring the market of parents who want a non-Smartphone for their kids. And I'm pretty sure this market is going to grow, much more than adults who want to limit themselves.

Those parents can choose from the many dumb phones already on the market that cost under $100. Why on earth would someone who isn't specifically nostalgic about Commodore products spend $500 for this specific dumb phone? https://www.independent.co.uk/extras/indybest/gadgets-tech/b...

You can't do video calls on those sub $100 phones though.

Don't let the form factor fool you, this is not a dumb phone.

Re: The Commodore Callback 8020 smart flip phone

#84
post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People who bought a Commodore typewriter in the 1950s probably weren’t particularly interested in the C64 in the 1980s either. It would be more interesting to talk about the actual merits of the product.

There aren't any merits to talk about. A flip phone is still a nostalgia play. If someone is nostalgic about flip phones, they're nostalgic about a Nokia, Commodore was long gone by the era of flip phones. And, you can still buy flip phones from a variety of manufacturers, including Nokia, for under $100. A dumb phone, including from reputable manufacturers, is extremely easy and cheap to come by, if that's what you…

I don't think there are any particularly reputable brands of featurephones anymore. Nokia/HMD certainly isn't one: they have obnoxious bugs, they drop calls, and lack basic modern-day compatibility features like emoji in text messages (they display only an "unknown character" box) and group MMS.

However, it does not necessarily mean there is demand for a quality featurephone: it might be that the demand is so low that it does not make sense to manufacture one.

Re: The Commodore Callback 8020 smart flip phone

#85
post #32

I'd go this direction as long as it had a real keyboard... Maybe it's time for the blackberry to reemerge.

Look at the Keyphone ($399), Minimal Phone ($399), Zinwa Q25 ($420), Unnecto Snap ($69), and HIT K1 ($349), all via Jose Briones's dumbphone finder.

https://www.dumbphones.org/>

The other way to go is with an ultra-small laptop (typically 12--13"), a tablet with integrated keyboard, or a (usually DIY) cyberdeck.

Re: The Commodore Callback 8020 smart flip phone

#86

Regarding the price: the reality with all these alternative phones (e.g. the clicks communicator) is that you are going to have to pay a premium to make them worthwhile for the manufacturers. Scale (and the spyware economy) are what allow the larger companies to produce cheaper "better" phones, so comparing a phone like this with them on price isn't super productive. If you want something different than what the mass…

NB, there are sub-$100 feature (and even Android) phones available, though there are compromises to be made. Jose Briones's Dumbphone Finder lists about 45, sorted by price, and that's just what he's reviewed. Going to $250 there are about 65 options. https://josebriones.org/dumbphone-finder > Once you're into the Android or Android-adjacent OS territory (LineageOS, SailfishOS (the Callback runs this), /e/OS, iodeOS,…

> LineageOS specifically requires Google Pixel, at least until the Motorola partnership bears fruit.

Not true.

Re: The Commodore Callback 8020 smart flip phone

#87

So I had a feature phone -- the Nokia 8110 4g. What sold me was that I could use it as a 4g hotspot and connect a smartphone to it, or not and be offline. The idea of "going online" is something I miss, in that it's not normal to be always attached to the internet. The connections I want to foster don't need to be mediated by an ISP, or a Telco, or a social media crime syndicate, or whatever else. The "flip" part of…

I'd be the first to admit this alternative is less than ideal since it adds yet another device, but you could carry a battery powered MiFi router (even power it off to conserve it) to supply a mobile connection, and then a feature phone for calls. Plus of course whatever you'd want to use to go online.

I used a TP-Link M7650 when I was cut off from fiber for a while and it worked great for me.

Re: The Commodore Callback 8020 smart flip phone

#88

My biggest problem with dumb phones and similar concepts like this digital detox phone is the comparitively crappy cameras. I don't take photos often, but when I do I want them to be good.

You can buy a standalone camera, some for under $100, many for For examples of current offerings, PC Mag 2026 reviews: https://www.pcmag.com/picks/the-best-point-and-shoot-cameras>.

Re: The Commodore Callback 8020 smart flip phone

#89
I can see a niche (or two) for this.

My wife hates every smartphone that is currently in the market. They are all too huge for her. She has an iphone SE which was the best compromise at the time, although she still finds it big. She doesn't want to get a new one, because there is nothing on the market of that size. She doesn't use most the smart features. She only uses it for chat with family and friends and getting email notifications (and reading them, but never replying on the phone). She also uses it as a camera. And calls, including video calls. This might be a solution, although for some reason they say "no email app". I'm hoping you can add one later.

And then as a child's phone to keep them off social media, while also having a chat app to actually communicate with them.

Even for me, it's been some years too that I've been thinking that I don't really need a smartphone. I mostly need a device that I can use to make calls and that I can use as a hotspot for connecting other devices such as a laptop when I need to.

The keyboard will definitely not be an issue. I'm old enough to remember teens using those kind of keyboards typing blindly in astonishing speeds, even without T9.

Lack of 5G might be an issue.

The price is steep. I'm not sure if that is going to be a problem.

Re: The Commodore Callback 8020 smart flip phone

#90
post #51

Not Commodore-looking. Not nostalgic. Not novel. It unchecks all the boxes. I’m saying that as a very happy C64U owner.

But it IS “digital detox” and Christian Simpson has said many times that’s what Commodore is. Despite Christian’s YouTube channel being all about retro and nostalgia, that not what Commodore is about.

> Christian Simpson has said many times that’s what Commodore is

Well he’s wrong. Commodore’s original spirit was all about entering the new digital era, not running away from it. We learned programming, games, demoscene, BBSes, and even Internet on our C64s and Amigas. C64U makes this even better thanks to USB ports and Wifi support, so it’s trivial to keep it connected to the new material while experiencing the nostalgia closest to its authentic form.

This phone is nowhere near it.

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