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The Commodore Callback 8020 smart flip phone

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Re: The Commodore Callback 8020 smart flip phone

#61

It has the same core spec as a $120 (delivered) Samsung phone and will cost between $500-$600 (delivered). The C64U is an amazing achievement but it seems too early to go for the smart phone. Hopefully there is a niche and their business plan is viable for a small number of sales.

They're betting that the target demographic will pay a premium for the form factor, not so much the tech specs.

Re: The Commodore Callback 8020 smart flip phone

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post #44

The phone may not be dumb (we'll see) but the idea for new Commodore to release one is. Sorry to be so blunt.

I bought one of their C64 repros, it was exactly what I want, I was searching ebay for original Apple ][e at the time anyway. Why? It's going to be my kids first computer. Computers today are so absolutely hostile as they are simply attention-sucking sale-terminals. They spend all their time popping up unwanted notifications which are just advertising. And the interface of modern devices is actually horrible for lear…

Good luck, I mean that. Times have changed, my kids simply aren't interested in the things I was growing up, so as parents we decided not to force them but rather to positively reinforce whatever it is they want to do. That's not to say they can do whatever they want, of course, but they lead the direction.

Re: The Commodore Callback 8020 smart flip phone

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post #31

I'm interested in the form factor and excited about the inclusion of a headphone jack but SailfishOS is the real selling point for me. I'll buy this if there is a way to remove the app restrictions they have. Ideally, I should be able to flash the default SailfishOS

Their FAQ says there's no way to disable the restrictions, but they also say you can sideload APKs.

Might as well get an Android flip phone?

Cheaper with a more powerful SOC and better feature set?

Disable your own features, don’t let Perifractic own you.

Re: The Commodore Callback 8020 smart flip phone

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post #51

Not Commodore-looking. Not nostalgic. Not novel. It unchecks all the boxes. I’m saying that as a very happy C64U owner.

But it IS “digital detox” and Christian Simpson has said many times that’s what Commodore is.

Despite Christian’s YouTube channel being all about retro and nostalgia, that not what Commodore is about.

Re: The Commodore Callback 8020 smart flip phone

#66

Regarding the price: the reality with all these alternative phones (e.g. the clicks communicator) is that you are going to have to pay a premium to make them worthwhile for the manufacturers. Scale (and the spyware economy) are what allow the larger companies to produce cheaper "better" phones, so comparing a phone like this with them on price isn't super productive. If you want something different than what the mass…

I have always been surprised that "Nokia"/HMD haven't opened up more. The have really affordable Android phones (at some point the line-up was also pretty nice) and near-stock Android. So, they seem to have the volume to make reasonably cheap phones without to much spyware/adware. Sadly, they are only supported for a very brief period and even at release they often have outdated versions.

If they collab'ed with some AOSP-based alternatives and/or Jolla, they could build up a really nice alternative market. Especially because these niche phones generally have worse quality than what HMD can offer and being a Finish company, they could play well into the European tech sovereignty story.

Re: The Commodore Callback 8020 smart flip phone

#67
I have no idea who the customer is for this product.

I bought a C64U. I bought a MEGA65. I bought the T-shirt. I own nearly every original Commodore 8-bit. If anybody is the target market for Commodore products, I am the target market, and I am no more nostalgic about or interested in flip phones than I am about fax machines.

It's just like the good old days: Commodore execs shipping absurdly misguided products for the wrong price at the wrong time.

Re: The Commodore Callback 8020 smart flip phone

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I have no idea who the customer is for this product. I bought a C64U. I bought a MEGA65. I bought the T-shirt. I own nearly every original Commodore 8-bit. If anybody is the target market for Commodore products, I am the target market, and I am no more nostalgic about or interested in flip phones than I am about fax machines. It's just like the good old days: Commodore execs shipping absurdly misguided products for t…

I think it's quite obvious that the target market has almost zero overlap with interest in the Commodore products from the 80s.

There's nothing wrong with a new company (new as of last year I think?) that owns the Commodore branding, and put out the C64U, to try putting out a new product for a different market.

The glowing Commodore icon just gives it a suitably vintage/retro feel that is aligned with the values of the device. Nothing more, nothing less.

In other words, is for a very specific group of people trying to digitally detox, who like a retro hardware aesthetic, that has nothing to do with C64 enthusiasts.

Re: The Commodore Callback 8020 smart flip phone

#69
post #57

This is a pocket Linux terminal with loads of untapped potential out of the box. Combining voice navigation with an ssh linked home AI server may make this a true privacy-first successor to the prying smartphone for the AI era. And there is the audio quality, with a battery that lasts a week. The Bluetooth tethering has a standby feature so any non-cellular wifi device you carry is effectively always connected as wel…

Not really, it’s a 5 year old SOC that runs Sailfish. You want a Linux box in your pocket? Why does a flip phone factor excite you?

It's genuinely small. You can put it in your pocket and forget that it's there. I'm continually amazed that people don't seem to want that.
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