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Re: Identity verification on Claude

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Serving barely useful GLM 5.2 costs what? $15k? Actually useful is like $50k? You’ll never recoup the cost unless you ‘locally’ means ‘inference provider is not the model provider’?

You can recoup the costs quicker if you resell access to your local LLM on a reselling service.

Cheaper to just buy T-bills when I saw the numbers last time

Re: Identity verification on Claude

#122

Just canceled my subscription. I don't want my id data end up with persona and/or the us gov.

I cancelled too, unfortunately! And like Louis Rossman has been saying recently about Anthropic, the folk are "Bad people". The Persona partnership also cements that. I finally have an excuse (need) to test the other high-end coding models on the scene - and might save myself close to 200 per month at the same time for a possible win.

Which are you looking at?

Re: Identity verification on Claude

#124
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The whole point of an identity check is that they know exactly who you are. If you tell them who you are and you fail the identity check, you can’t simply create a new account because when you go through the identity check for a second time you’ll still need to tell them exactly who you are, at which point they can match the new account to the original failure.

So I’ll just automate failed verifications for everyone I want to lock out?

An empty account and an account with a year of history have very different weights in this - most people already have an account tied to their legal name, paid for with a credit card in that same legal name. Throw in some geo-location, browser fingerprinting, etc. to disambiguate the surprisingly rare case of two customers with the exact same name.

For a paid product, it's really not that hard to already have a fairly solid idea of what's going on - this just ensures that a responsible adult has gone through a clear process of signing off on the identity for this specific service, rather than a kid with their parent's credit card.

Re: Identity verification on Claude

#125

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That’s quite a claim. What’s your source for this?

Fable's model card provides the following as a relevant reference https://xcancel.com/ClaudeDevs/status/2064949876463645026

They already reversed course on that decision a couple of days later. Trivial to find a source, but Fable is also rather notably not available to the public right now, so it's not actually a relevant threat.

Re: Identity verification on Claude

#126

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So ... like reddit! :) Thankfully I don't depend on any of such services. It would make me rather angry.

Reddit is the only platform that actually tells you that you are shadowbanned, so at least they are upfront about it, but their appeal system sucks. My friend just appealed every day for just over 600 days and finally got their account un-shadowbanned.

"It only took two years for my friend to appeal a Ban"

If you're willing to wait a couple years, I dare say a few services might have changed their minds by then, so it's too early to judge.

Re: Identity verification on Claude

#127
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Wouldn't want the government to have your government-issued ID. I have no idea about Persona though.

I know that this may sound surprising, but US is not the only country in the world ;)

My assumption was more that this is about getting set up to provide access to Fable to US citizens. I could be mistaken in that regard.

Re: Identity verification on Claude

#128

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I mean, the easiest starting step would be: Identity Verification via the methods Discord switched to after realizing Persona was horrible.

Much more ideally, some sort of government-ran zero-proof service where Anthropic can confirm solely that you are a valid US Citizen without Anthropic gaining enough PII to link my account to a particular legal identity (these already exist)

Of course, if your adversary can't just buy a dozen US Citizens, they're not really much of a threat to begin with... (there are lots of ways to buy people: explicit bribes, people of questionable loyalty, scam them, or just hack into a dormant account with an annual subscription)

Re: Identity verification on Claude

#129

OpenAI also has this kind of check. What is especially bad is that if you fail the verification process, they won’t let you retry – you are permanently locked out from the top models. They aren’t clear about this upfront during the process, so make sure the lighting is good when you scan your ID! https://help.openai.com/en/articles/10910291-api-organizatio...

I got an email from OpenAI letting me know I won’t be a teenager anymore next week. It’s so exciting to have AI roll back my age by more than half!

I then looked at their age verification and it used that problematic company so I cancelled out.

Re: Identity verification on Claude

#130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fable's model card provides the following as a relevant reference https://xcancel.com/ClaudeDevs/status/2064949876463645026

They already reversed course on that decision a couple of days later. Trivial to find a source, but Fable is also rather notably not available to the public right now, so it's not actually a relevant threat.

excuse me but, is this trivial source you're referring to the url included in the post you're responding to, or did they reverse back to the original intent of keeping refusals quiet?
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