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Tesla allegedly in autopilot mode crashes into Texas house, woman killed

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Re: Tesla allegedly in autopilot mode crashes into Texas house, woman killed

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Post by budsniffer952 »

Reason077 wrote: post #34
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> telemetry will tell the story Idk, the death-toll gap between Tesla and Waymo seems to tell a story enough.

There are very few (if any?) known deaths caused by FSD accidents. Note: it’s important to distinguish between Autopilot and FSD here. “Autopilot” is Tesla’s old assisted driving stack that comes free in most vehicles and has had no significant updates in years. “FSD” is an entirely different software stack that only works with newer vehicles and that Tesla charges $$ for. It’s much more advanced and IMO a lot safer.…

You are on Hacker News, you don't think we know what FSD is?

Re: Tesla allegedly in autopilot mode crashes into Texas house, woman killed

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Post by budsniffer952 »

IncreasePosts wrote: post #51
paulryanrogers wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If Tesla was bold enough to intentionally auto disengage seconds before an accident (to avoid liability) then can they be trusted to maintain telemetry throughout dicey circumstances?

That's not what they do, and any crash happening within 5 seconds of fsd disengagement is considered to be using fsd.

Citation please.

Re: Tesla allegedly in autopilot mode crashes into Texas house, woman killed

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Post by Reason077 »

budsniffer952 wrote: post #81
Reason077 wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are very few (if any?) known deaths caused by FSD accidents. Note: it’s important to distinguish between Autopilot and FSD here. “Autopilot” is Tesla’s old assisted driving stack that comes free in most vehicles and has had no significant updates in years. “FSD” is an entirely different software stack that only works with newer vehicles and that Tesla charges $$ for. It’s much more advanced and IMO a lot safer.…

You are on Hacker News, you don't think we know what FSD is?

The article only mentions Autopilot, but half the comments here are talking about FSD.

Re: Tesla allegedly in autopilot mode crashes into Texas house, woman killed

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Post by sparky_z »

Snoozus wrote: post #44

Here is a video from the youtube channel Better Biomed, from the scene, apparently it was his house: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6L_8x-Y0jqg

And doorbell footage of the crash.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HR_Y_yf84m8

Holy shit, it looks like it was going at full highway speeds (at least) in a residential neighborhood. Doesn't look like it attempts to stop or steer away at any point. This seems like the outcome one would expect from a passed-out driver and a stuck accelerator. I'm honestly amazed that the driver survived.

Re: Tesla allegedly in autopilot mode crashes into Texas house, woman killed

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Post by Reason077 »

FireBeyond wrote: post #77
Reason077 wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are very few (if any?) known deaths caused by FSD accidents. Note: it’s important to distinguish between Autopilot and FSD here. “Autopilot” is Tesla’s old assisted driving stack that comes free in most vehicles and has had no significant updates in years. “FSD” is an entirely different software stack that only works with newer vehicles and that Tesla charges $$ for. It’s much more advanced and IMO a lot safer.…

> “Autopilot” is Tesla’s old assisted driving stack that comes free in most vehicles and has had no significant updates in years. “FSD” is an entirely different software stack that only works with newer vehicles and that Tesla charges $$ for. It’s much more advanced and IMO a lot safer. I'm not sure the point you're making here - that just sounds like "Tesla couldn't care less about updating their software and it's s…

Oh, I absolutely agree. Ideally Telsa would dump the old Autopilot stack and put all cars (that have the hardware to support it) on a free version of FSD, nerfed so that it's roughly feature-equivalent to Autopilot.

That way everyone would get the safety advantages of FSD, including the really important stuff like better driver attention monitoring. Unfortunately, Tesla keeps Autopilot bad because it forces more people to pay for FSD, and in this case they seem to care more about profits than safety.

Re: Tesla allegedly in autopilot mode crashes into Texas house, woman killed

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Post by Reason077 »

Retric wrote: post #64
Reason077 wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I get the impression that it kind of comprehends the world as a horizontal plane. It’s focused on objects on the surface and isn’t looking for hazards coming from above. Could that be improved? Sure! Is it a priority for them? Maybe not…

At minimum it needs to pay attention to railroad crossing bars and bridges. They show a 2D representation to the driver because that’s good enough for drivers, but I wouldn’t assume that represents how the system operates internally at every stage. Even navigating requires the concept of bridges crossing roads without intersecting them.

It is indeed known to have issues at railway crossings:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47783427

AFAIK, there's no issue with bridges that cross roads, however. It will just ignore a road that's above or below the one you're travelling on that doesn't intersect with yours. Just like a human driver would do.

Re: Tesla allegedly in autopilot mode crashes into Texas house, woman killed

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Post by FireBeyond »

IncreasePosts wrote: post #51
paulryanrogers wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If Tesla was bold enough to intentionally auto disengage seconds before an accident (to avoid liability) then can they be trusted to maintain telemetry throughout dicey circumstances?

That's not what they do, and any crash happening within 5 seconds of fsd disengagement is considered to be using fsd.

That's how it is now, and (like most things safety-related) Tesla had to be dragged kicking and screaming into it. Just like the initial attention/distracted monitor only required your hand on the steering wheel once every fifteen minutes.

They also considered AEB-activation to mean that meant that FSD wasn't active, even if AEB only kicked in because of FSD's decisions.

Re: Tesla allegedly in autopilot mode crashes into Texas house, woman killed

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Post by vel0city »

plandis wrote: post #12

The title is misleading and shifts blame from the driver to the machine. Ultimately the driver is responsible. Edit: For the folks who seem to think that this is marketed as unsupervised self driving, from Teslas own website it states “Currently enabled features require active driver supervision and do not make the vehicle autonomous.” https://www.tesla.com/fsd

But the car was fully self driving right? Fully, as completely driving by itself? If the person in the front seat is driving, the feature isn't really "full self driving" now is it?
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