Why do news outlets so often use the phrase "high rate of speed"? Speed isn't a discrete event, it can't really have a rate, unless it is a rate of change, in which case they would be referring to acceleration.
Tesla allegedly in autopilot mode crashes into Texas house, woman killed
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Re: Tesla allegedly in autopilot mode crashes into Texas house, woman killed
#72I wonder if they will implement dead zones for self-driving. I was using a Lime scooter in a new city and when I entered a university campus, the scooter slowed to a crawl. I don’t understand why a person would need FSD in a suburb street.
> don’t understand why a person would need FSD in a suburb street My parents have a Tesla. It’s convenient. I engage my Subaru’s lane-keeping in suburbs, too, to reduce driver fatigue. The Subaru behaves predictably. The Tesla is mostly more capable, but does something dumbfucked and dangerous every few dozen trips.
> to reduce driver fatigue
Fatigue is not the only, or even the biggest, risk to driving safely. Being distracted is frequently one of the biggest risks.
Re: Tesla allegedly in autopilot mode crashes into Texas house, woman killed
#73Someone needs to go to jail for this. Either the driver or someone at Tesla (their pick, who cares). This cannot go unpunished. Machines can never be held accountable.
It seems your standards are pretty arbitrary.
Personally I want to know that a provable crime was actually committed before calling for someone to be jailed.
Re: Tesla allegedly in autopilot mode crashes into Texas house, woman killed
#74Earlier quoted context omitted.
If Tesla was bold enough to intentionally auto disengage seconds before an accident (to avoid liability) then can they be trusted to maintain telemetry throughout dicey circumstances?
That's not what they do, and any crash happening within 5 seconds of fsd disengagement is considered to be using fsd.
Apparently they do at least intentionally disengage, often with little time to react. When they could instead start braking and alert the driver.
https://futurism.com/tesla-nhtsa-autopilot-report
I also don't trust the motives of a company that names something "Full Self Driving" knowing it's not fully self driving. Never mind their shenanigans around avoiding or disregarding regulations and reporting requirements.
Re: Tesla allegedly in autopilot mode crashes into Texas house, woman killed
#75Earlier quoted context omitted.
> don’t understand why a person would need FSD in a suburb street My parents have a Tesla. It’s convenient. I engage my Subaru’s lane-keeping in suburbs, too, to reduce driver fatigue. The Subaru behaves predictably. The Tesla is mostly more capable, but does something dumbfucked and dangerous every few dozen trips.
> to reduce driver fatigue Fatigue is not the only, or even the biggest, risk to driving safely. Being distracted is frequently one of the biggest risks.
It’s also a convenient way to commit to the speed limit.
Re: Tesla allegedly in autopilot mode crashes into Texas house, woman killed
#76Someone needs to go to jail for this. Either the driver or someone at Tesla (their pick, who cares). This cannot go unpunished. Machines can never be held accountable.
It seems your standards are pretty arbitrary. Personally I want to know that a provable crime was actually committed before calling for someone to be jailed.
Also jailing basically doesn’t solve this problem?
Re: Tesla allegedly in autopilot mode crashes into Texas house, woman killed
#77Earlier quoted context omitted.
> telemetry will tell the story Idk, the death-toll gap between Tesla and Waymo seems to tell a story enough.
There are very few (if any?) known deaths caused by FSD accidents. Note: it’s important to distinguish between Autopilot and FSD here. “Autopilot” is Tesla’s old assisted driving stack that comes free in most vehicles and has had no significant updates in years. “FSD” is an entirely different software stack that only works with newer vehicles and that Tesla charges $$ for. It’s much more advanced and IMO a lot safer.…
> “Autopilot” is Tesla’s old assisted driving stack that comes free in most vehicles and has had no significant updates in years. “FSD” is an entirely different software stack that only works with newer vehicles and that Tesla charges $$ for. It’s much more advanced and IMO a lot safer.
I'm not sure the point you're making here - that just sounds like "Tesla couldn't care less about updating their software and it's still "not good". People it hits are still dead. "Oh well, it's not like Tesla had updated the software, so you can't blame them".
Re: Tesla allegedly in autopilot mode crashes into Texas house, woman killed
#78Why do news outlets so often use the phrase "high rate of speed"? Speed isn't a discrete event, it can't really have a rate, unless it is a rate of change, in which case they would be referring to acceleration.
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Re: Tesla allegedly in autopilot mode crashes into Texas house, woman killed
#79Why do news outlets so often use the phrase "high rate of speed"? Speed isn't a discrete event, it can't really have a rate, unless it is a rate of change, in which case they would be referring to acceleration.
rate = distance / time
Re: Tesla allegedly in autopilot mode crashes into Texas house, woman killed
#80Earlier quoted context omitted.
You’re extremely confident about this just based on your experience of it not happening to you. It’s good that it hasn’t driven you into a house but that doesn’t mean it can’t fail in a way that does drive someone else into a house.
Well, I’ve seen it very confidently and correctly navigate rural unmarked roads, and drive around rocks and logs across the road and things like this. I find it hard to believe it would drive through a huge stationary object like a house, which I imagine is definitely in the training data. I guess I’m not saying it’s impossible, but I think at this stage it’s improbable.
The fact that you are saying "but houses are in the training data!" demonstrates your naivete.
Do you think there's some magic going on here?