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Tesla allegedly in autopilot mode crashes into Texas house, woman killed

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Re: Tesla allegedly in autopilot mode crashes into Texas house, woman killed

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The telemetry will tell the story, not the clickbait news headline based on preliminary information. I seriously doubt FSD would drive into a house.

If Tesla was bold enough to intentionally auto disengage seconds before an accident (to avoid liability) then can they be trusted to maintain telemetry throughout dicey circumstances?

That's not what they do, and any crash happening within 5 seconds of fsd disengagement is considered to be using fsd.

Re: Tesla allegedly in autopilot mode crashes into Texas house, woman killed

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Ok, 3 things. 1) I’ve put enough kms on FSD - it’s taken me across Australia a few times, probably 10,000kms in total - to know that it isn’t going to drive into a house. 2) Even if FSD is enabled, there’s loads of things you can do to create an accident like press the brakes or accelerator pedals, which doesn’t necessarily disengage FSD right away, so let’s just wait for the telemetry to get released. 3) Regardless…

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Re: Tesla allegedly in autopilot mode crashes into Texas house, woman killed

#53

The telemetry will tell the story, not the clickbait news headline based on preliminary information. I seriously doubt FSD would drive into a house.

The reddit post from the grandchild says "autopilot", which is really just lane keeping and adaptive cruise control.

I believe autopilot would totally run into a house. It doesn't respect stop signs or red lights. If the house is at a T intersection the autopilot might try to drive right through it. I agree about FSD though

Re: Tesla allegedly in autopilot mode crashes into Texas house, woman killed

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> There are very few (if any?) known deaths caused by FSD accidents It’s tough to say given many data sources are aggregated. For what it’s worth, my parents’ car is a Tesla with FSD and I’ve stopped it from, off the top of my head, racing into a red-lit intersection, running over a small dog and running into a closing garage door. I still use it. It mostly works. But I’m vigilantly monitoring it in a way that isn’t…

The garage door I can certainly believe. Its AI brain just won’t be trained to look for that sort of thing. I’m surprised about the red lights and animals, however: ours seems very cautious around any kind of live animal on the road, even braking and manoeuvring to avoid birds on the road. It’s not so good at avoiding the corpses of already dead ones, however (bump!).

> The garage door I can certainly believe. Its AI brain just won’t be trained to look for that sort of thing.

Why not? That’s likely to come up at minimum thousands of times per day, and likely vastly more as the system improves.

Re: Tesla allegedly in autopilot mode crashes into Texas house, woman killed

#55

Ok, 3 things. 1) I’ve put enough kms on FSD - it’s taken me across Australia a few times, probably 10,000kms in total - to know that it isn’t going to drive into a house. 2) Even if FSD is enabled, there’s loads of things you can do to create an accident like press the brakes or accelerator pedals, which doesn’t necessarily disengage FSD right away, so let’s just wait for the telemetry to get released. 3) Regardless…

> Regardless of who was controlling it, why did this guy let his car jump the kerb and go through a house? Why was he going fast enough?

There are decades worth of man-machines UX research to prove this: the more you lean on automated systems to perform a manual task, like specific vehicle operations, the more your reaction time and relefexes for that specific motor skill will suffer.

Non-level 4 driver assistance tech should only be used for helping prevent accidents and not pretend to be actual full self driving

Re: Tesla allegedly in autopilot mode crashes into Texas house, woman killed

#56

Ok, 3 things. 1) I’ve put enough kms on FSD - it’s taken me across Australia a few times, probably 10,000kms in total - to know that it isn’t going to drive into a house. 2) Even if FSD is enabled, there’s loads of things you can do to create an accident like press the brakes or accelerator pedals, which doesn’t necessarily disengage FSD right away, so let’s just wait for the telemetry to get released. 3) Regardless…

> 1) I’ve put enough kms on FSD to know that it isn’t going to drive into a house. Is it possible FSD on this vehicle was a different version? Can't FSD change from one drive to the next, based on software updates or even external conditions? Perhaps you drove in a different region with differing conditions? > 3) Regardless of who was controlling it, why did this guy let his car jump the kerb and go through a house?…

I believe how good your FSD is also depends on how new your Tesla is because older ones are underpowered and maybe use an underpowered vision model

Re: Tesla allegedly in autopilot mode crashes into Texas house, woman killed

#57

Something is terribly broken in the software release process that constantly allows a worse user experience (including autonomous) as Tesla 'matures' its operations. I'm driving a Tesla, that recently added a 'warning' over a center-display showing the three rear-pointing cameras. 1. The cameras only show while operating in reverse; 2. The warning entirely obscures 30-50% of the view in one or more cameras; 3. The wa…

Cameras get dirty and it is unreasonable to think that they wouldn't. This would force my hand to clean the cameras. Why is this a bad thing?

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Re: Tesla allegedly in autopilot mode crashes into Texas house, woman killed

#58
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s exactly the thing. We’re on FSD 13 and America is on FSD 14, we’re always about a year behind. Yours is significantly better than ours (being RHD market), but ours still wouldn’t drive through a house.

You’re extremely confident about this just based on your experience of it not happening to you. It’s good that it hasn’t driven you into a house but that doesn’t mean it can’t fail in a way that does drive someone else into a house.

Well, I’ve seen it very confidently and correctly navigate rural unmarked roads, and drive around rocks and logs across the road and things like this. I find it hard to believe it would drive through a huge stationary object like a house, which I imagine is definitely in the training data.

I guess I’m not saying it’s impossible, but I think at this stage it’s improbable.

Re: Tesla allegedly in autopilot mode crashes into Texas house, woman killed

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Ok, 3 things. 1) I’ve put enough kms on FSD - it’s taken me across Australia a few times, probably 10,000kms in total - to know that it isn’t going to drive into a house. 2) Even if FSD is enabled, there’s loads of things you can do to create an accident like press the brakes or accelerator pedals, which doesn’t necessarily disengage FSD right away, so let’s just wait for the telemetry to get released. 3) Regardless…

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Re: Tesla allegedly in autopilot mode crashes into Texas house, woman killed

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Ok, 3 things. 1) I’ve put enough kms on FSD - it’s taken me across Australia a few times, probably 10,000kms in total - to know that it isn’t going to drive into a house. 2) Even if FSD is enabled, there’s loads of things you can do to create an accident like press the brakes or accelerator pedals, which doesn’t necessarily disengage FSD right away, so let’s just wait for the telemetry to get released. 3) Regardless…

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