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Tesla allegedly in autopilot mode crashes into Texas house, woman killed

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Re: Tesla allegedly in autopilot mode crashes into Texas house, woman killed

#41

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> telemetry will tell the story Idk, the death-toll gap between Tesla and Waymo seems to tell a story enough.

There are very few (if any?) known deaths caused by FSD accidents. Note: it’s important to distinguish between Autopilot and FSD here. “Autopilot” is Tesla’s old assisted driving stack that comes free in most vehicles and has had no significant updates in years. “FSD” is an entirely different software stack that only works with newer vehicles and that Tesla charges $$ for. It’s much more advanced and IMO a lot safer.…

> There are very few (if any?) known deaths caused by FSD accidents

It’s tough to say given many data sources are aggregated. For what it’s worth, my parents’ car is a Tesla with FSD and I’ve stopped it from, off the top of my head, racing into a red-lit intersection, running over a small dog and running into a closing garage door.

I still use it. It mostly works. But I’m vigilantly monitoring it in a way that isn’t supported by Tesla’s marketing (which frequently shows drivers engaging it hands off).

Re: Tesla allegedly in autopilot mode crashes into Texas house, woman killed

#42

The telemetry will tell the story, not the clickbait news headline based on preliminary information. I seriously doubt FSD would drive into a house.

> telemetry will tell the story Idk, the death-toll gap between Tesla and Waymo seems to tell a story enough.

does it makes sense to compare the two given that waymos are driven in a limited set of circumstances and most of the times below speeds that could kill you on a crash?

Re: Tesla allegedly in autopilot mode crashes into Texas house, woman killed

#43

The telemetry will tell the story, not the clickbait news headline based on preliminary information. I seriously doubt FSD would drive into a house.

If Tesla was bold enough to intentionally auto disengage seconds before an accident (to avoid liability) then can they be trusted to maintain telemetry throughout dicey circumstances?

Re: Tesla allegedly in autopilot mode crashes into Texas house, woman killed

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Ok, 3 things. 1) I’ve put enough kms on FSD - it’s taken me across Australia a few times, probably 10,000kms in total - to know that it isn’t going to drive into a house. 2) Even if FSD is enabled, there’s loads of things you can do to create an accident like press the brakes or accelerator pedals, which doesn’t necessarily disengage FSD right away, so let’s just wait for the telemetry to get released. 3) Regardless…

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Re: Tesla allegedly in autopilot mode crashes into Texas house, woman killed

#46

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> 1) I’ve put enough kms on FSD to know that it isn’t going to drive into a house. Is it possible FSD on this vehicle was a different version? Can't FSD change from one drive to the next, based on software updates or even external conditions? Perhaps you drove in a different region with differing conditions? > 3) Regardless of who was controlling it, why did this guy let his car jump the kerb and go through a house?…

That’s exactly the thing. We’re on FSD 13 and America is on FSD 14, we’re always about a year behind. Yours is significantly better than ours (being RHD market), but ours still wouldn’t drive through a house.

You’re extremely confident about this just based on your experience of it not happening to you. It’s good that it hasn’t driven you into a house but that doesn’t mean it can’t fail in a way that does drive someone else into a house.

Re: Tesla allegedly in autopilot mode crashes into Texas house, woman killed

#47

The telemetry will tell the story, not the clickbait news headline based on preliminary information. I seriously doubt FSD would drive into a house.

Are there any US federal or state laws stipulating some sort of black box style recording of data for accident investigation?

If not then I suspect a Tesla will turn out to be quite surprisingly forgetful about what it was up to in a road traffic collision.

RTC is a UK term that took over from RTA (road traffic accident) - it describes what happened rather than heading off into the weeds as to cause.

Re: Tesla allegedly in autopilot mode crashes into Texas house, woman killed

#48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are very few (if any?) known deaths caused by FSD accidents. Note: it’s important to distinguish between Autopilot and FSD here. “Autopilot” is Tesla’s old assisted driving stack that comes free in most vehicles and has had no significant updates in years. “FSD” is an entirely different software stack that only works with newer vehicles and that Tesla charges $$ for. It’s much more advanced and IMO a lot safer.…

> There are very few (if any?) known deaths caused by FSD accidents It’s tough to say given many data sources are aggregated. For what it’s worth, my parents’ car is a Tesla with FSD and I’ve stopped it from, off the top of my head, racing into a red-lit intersection, running over a small dog and running into a closing garage door. I still use it. It mostly works. But I’m vigilantly monitoring it in a way that isn’t…

The garage door I can certainly believe. Its AI brain just won’t be trained to look for that sort of thing.

I’m surprised about the red lights and animals, however: ours seems very cautious around any kind of live animal on the road, even braking and manoeuvring to avoid birds on the road. It’s not so good at avoiding the corpses of already dead ones, however (bump!).

Re: Tesla allegedly in autopilot mode crashes into Texas house, woman killed

#49

Ok, 3 things. 1) I’ve put enough kms on FSD - it’s taken me across Australia a few times, probably 10,000kms in total - to know that it isn’t going to drive into a house. 2) Even if FSD is enabled, there’s loads of things you can do to create an accident like press the brakes or accelerator pedals, which doesn’t necessarily disengage FSD right away, so let’s just wait for the telemetry to get released. 3) Regardless…

"I've driven drunk enough times to know I'd never cause an accident"

Re: Tesla allegedly in autopilot mode crashes into Texas house, woman killed

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Whether if it is either autopilot or Fools Self Driving mode, if this driver did not have their hands on the wheel then he is absolutely in deep trouble. Tesla themselves got into trouble after previous crashes and are finally telling their drivers to keep their hands on the wheel at all times, and toned down their false advertising.

The latest FSD does not attempt to check if your hands are on the wheel at all.

Does it do alternate checks for human awareness, like gaze detection?
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