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Re: Pre-2022 Books

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Post by mikgp »

tyre wrote: post #34

Hot take: I think it’ll be pretty much the same as it was. If anything it will get better. You will still have gatekeepers and taste makers. Publishing houses will screen fiction for well-written and interesting fiction. Word-of-mouth, personal recommendations, and endorsements from people you respect will continue to outweigh algorithms, if you care. For cheap reads, how much of a difference is there between James P…

The James Patterson point is spot on and - to expand on your point, the internet arguably took the tastemakers / gatekeepers down a peg, AI could be what brings them back.

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Post by dspillett »

Not just books. When searching for information online, for anything where things haven't changed significantly in the last few years, I definitely favour a post on SO/SE/HN/reddit/etc dated before 2023 over those that are later. And where there are no good looking references before that, the earlier the better.

Of course there are no doubt people out there realising that a fair few of us do this, and are starting to edit posts to pre-date them as a sort of SEO trick…

Re: Pre-2022 Books

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Post by raincole »

I feel that too. But the reasonable part of me knows that it's just one generation can't "get" the entertainment of the next generation. It has always been like that.

There are mobile game ads on TV here. My father asked me what actually the players get from paying the game companies money. He still doesn't get it after I tried to explain how it works twice.

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Post by golem14 »

dspillett wrote: post #42

Not just books. When searching for information online, for anything where things haven't changed significantly in the last few years, I definitely favour a post on SO/SE/HN/reddit/etc dated before 2023 over those that are later. And where there are no good looking references before that, the earlier the better. Of course there are no doubt people out there realising that a fair few of us do this, and are starting to…

In this case, archiv.* might be your friend, since they have time stamped copies.

Re: Pre-2022 Books

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Post by fallat »

There has always been shit books - let that sink in.

There will be _more_ shit books now, but that's the only difference.

There will be probably a constant rate of "good" books.

Re: Pre-2022 Books

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Post by wenbin »

If contents are generated instantly via llm and packaged as books, videos, podcasts, pull requests etc, then they don’t deserve human attention.

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Post by raincole »

adamddev1 wrote: post #25

And there might be no way to prove you really wrote something Post-2022. I wrote a long article, all by hand. I never used any LLMs, even for searching. I checked it with a couple of AI detection tools and they confidently said that 60% of the article was written by AI.

Every time I attempted to convince people to not use Pangram on HN I got downvoted.

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Post by bashmelek »

I’m in my mid-30s, and have never written a book, but I still sometimes think of it. I know it isn’t too late. I still want to create my own applications, but I once used the Google ai result in a utility function. Is it all tainted? I still want people around me to try in earnest

Re: Pre-2022 Books

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Post by timacles »

algoth1 wrote: post #30
adamddev1 wrote: post #25

And there might be no way to prove you really wrote something Post-2022. I wrote a long article, all by hand. I never used any LLMs, even for searching. I checked it with a couple of AI detection tools and they confidently said that 60% of the article was written by AI.

The thing is, llm token frequency was derived from human writings like yours, and rlhf for good writing practices, like the emdash. So getting ’detected’ on good writing it’s unfortunately to be expected. My broken ESL english is much safer for now

Our only hope is to start communicating like DevOps Borat

Re: Pre-2022 Books

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Post by arkaic »

mohamedkoubaa wrote: post #35
adamddev1 wrote: post #25

And there might be no way to prove you really wrote something Post-2022. I wrote a long article, all by hand. I never used any LLMs, even for searching. I checked it with a couple of AI detection tools and they confidently said that 60% of the article was written by AI.

I track every change in the fiction I write in git. Its not hard proof but it at least shows how the prose evolved over time and is something like a proof of work.

It's extremely easy to disprove that lack of hard proof too. One could've individually chatgpt'd every addition before commit for proofreading. The infection of AI just gets into every nook and cranny of the process because it's so easy to reach for it
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