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Big Tech is stoking unrest in the UK. Why?

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Re: Big Tech is stoking unrest in the UK. Why?

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kjkjadksj wrote: post #42
rob_c wrote: post #38

Yeah that article is missing a very major point that immigration in the UK hasn't meant assimilation or a coherent mixing of cultures as people want or may have observed at times. The problems in the UK are actually focused around sticky blobbyness caused by a) lack of integration, b) left vs right flavor of the moment causing further segregation and c) long term socioeconomic factors leading to govt(councils) fixing…

British people miss the fact that assimilation happens in the generation after the immigrant generation. Italian immigrants were looked down on in the US too. Too catholic, not speaking the language and not engaging in american culture practices. The next generation speaks fluent english and is scarcely different than any other american out of the school system.

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Re: Big Tech is stoking unrest in the UK. Why?

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kjkjadksj wrote: post #42
rob_c wrote: post #38

Yeah that article is missing a very major point that immigration in the UK hasn't meant assimilation or a coherent mixing of cultures as people want or may have observed at times. The problems in the UK are actually focused around sticky blobbyness caused by a) lack of integration, b) left vs right flavor of the moment causing further segregation and c) long term socioeconomic factors leading to govt(councils) fixing…

British people miss the fact that assimilation happens in the generation after the immigrant generation. Italian immigrants were looked down on in the US too. Too catholic, not speaking the language and not engaging in american culture practices. The next generation speaks fluent english and is scarcely different than any other american out of the school system.

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Re: Big Tech is stoking unrest in the UK. Why?

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Post by dofm »

throwyawayyyy wrote: post #20
4dregress wrote: post #6

Simple answer is power, look at how things have changed since Musk bought the largest communication platform on the planet. Look at who's backing him and what they want. The UK's stance goes right against the values and goals these billionaires want and that's basically to do whatever they want without recourse. What better way to sow diversion than to stoke civil unrest and cause change to the systems that stand in…

I'm sure it's about power. I am also sure that having that much wealth, that little accountability, being surrounded by people who've a vested interest in telling you you're a genius, would make anyone go a little insane. Call it Roman Emperor syndrome. Not many people can be Marcus Aurelius.

As much as I abhor his behaviour and think the world does not need stateless trillionaire bullies, the blame for Elon Musk's deteriorating character does not lie with his money or his yes-men.

It was baked in right from the start. We need to understand on a societal level how this happens.

The blame lies with Errol and Maye, who are absolutely fucking awful people (particularly Errol, a man even Elon describes as despicable) who should never have had children, and who are responsible for the early childhood trauma and neglect etc. that turned Elon into a textbook malignant narcissist.

We would pity that man if he were not so destructive, because he is broken in a way that nobody can fix. Part of me does pity him.

And FWIW I do believe that at his best, he fights against this — he is clearly aware of who broke him and how, and I do think that at his best he is trying to build things for people rather than surrender to hating everyone because they cannot give him enough love to fill the hole inside.

At his worst, which is now, he's just a malevolent force — a textbook Bond villain. He will only get worse as he attracts more hatred he cannot unsee.

It's the same for Donald Trump (broken by evil, evil parents) and Andrew Tate (broken by an evil, cruel father at the very least.)

Re: Big Tech is stoking unrest in the UK. Why?

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Post by RetroTechie »

throwyawayyyy wrote: post #20
4dregress wrote: post #6

Simple answer is power, look at how things have changed since Musk bought the largest communication platform on the planet. Look at who's backing him and what they want. The UK's stance goes right against the values and goals these billionaires want and that's basically to do whatever they want without recourse. What better way to sow diversion than to stoke civil unrest and cause change to the systems that stand in…

I'm sure it's about power. I am also sure that having that much wealth, that little accountability, being surrounded by people who've a vested interest in telling you you're a genius, would make anyone go a little insane. Call it Roman Emperor syndrome. Not many people can be Marcus Aurelius.

Hehe... in ancient Rome, a billionaire-type sociopath would be poisoned, killed on a battlefield, or (as is the fashion these days), fall through a window in a high-rise office building.

NOT proposing that as a fix! But society at large would do well to ask why we let such extreme wealth (and with that: power) concentrate in the hands of so few individuals.

These aren't demi-gods! These are people with all the failings & weaknesses regular folks have. Spread the risk ffs.

Re: Big Tech is stoking unrest in the UK. Why?

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Post by 4dregress »

kakistocrats wrote: post #35
Jiro wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's implied by the article that there wouldn't be much opposition to immigration without big tech. That isn't true if there is widespread opposition to immigration anyway and the government broke its promise about dealing with it.

The project was started by wealth offshoring groups on the Isle of Man that were afraid their loopholes would finally be closed, so if it could deliver on anything it claimed in order to get adequate votes then that would be coincidental. (The structure of EU and Schengen law also meant that leaving was the most likely way to raise the percentage of illegal immigrants making it to the UK.)

Again, interesting to see a new account being used to make this comment.

Re: Big Tech is stoking unrest in the UK. Why?

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Post by ksaun »

jiddert8 wrote: post #7

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That capitalization convention is included in the Associated Press Stylebook (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AP_Stylebook); the author's use of that convention is not evidence of any broader "allegiance." (Maybe some feel that adhering to the AP's guidelines is enough evidence of bias, but I think it is imprecise to judge the author specifically for following that convention.)

(I am not expressing any opinion on the broader topic(s). I only wanted to call out that the author's writing conventions may have less significance than OP implies.)

Re: Big Tech is stoking unrest in the UK. Why?

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Post by noworriesnate »

4dregress wrote: post #75
jiddert8 wrote: post #7

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Sad to see this nonsense on hacker new, looks like a bot account.

I always found a certain line from Bob Dylan a bit haunting:

> The line, it is drawn, the curse, it is cast

> The slow one now will later be fast

> *As the present now will later be past*

> The order is rapidly fadin'

> And the first one now will later be last

> For the times, they are a-changin'

We're seeing this now. Times are a-changin' indeed.

Re: Big Tech is stoking unrest in the UK. Why?

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Post by [deleted] »

lawlorino wrote: post #61
1dom wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The most likely candidates are places like Bradford and Birmingham, which are still - according to wikipedia - 60%+ white british, that's without even considering british asian or other people born in and native to the UK. Again, sorry, I can't find any sources to support your facts here, maybe I looked in a different place to you, so perhaps you could share your sources?

I’m not taking sides on the wider argument here, but I think it’s you who should check your sources? Copy pasting direct from wikipedia: > The city of Bradford is 45.8% White according to the latest 2021 census data, with the White British population being 40.5%. 45.3% of the city's population is Asian, primarily from the Pakistani community https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/City_of_Bradford > According to figures from t…

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Re: Big Tech is stoking unrest in the UK. Why?

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Post by classified »

twoWhlsGud wrote: post #36
TrackerFF wrote: post #21

Same reason as always: Wealthy people want less taxes, more power, and will lobby for the parties that always promise less taxes: Those on the right. The problem is that the conservative and traditional right aren't too popular, so they need to go for the far-right. Those parties are in full MAGA-mode, focusing on things like immigration. It is so, so much easier to sway public opinion by blowing up incidents involvi…

"Everything means less than zero" (E. Costello) Social media seems to basically be a way of running A/B testing on the population until you find enough folks vulnerable to some sort of powerful misconception that serves your purpose. For the SM network "purpose" means engagement, but it turns out that (to our disadvantage) it also serves the purposes of an army of grifters, opportunists and power mad sociopaths who a…

> As techies, building productive rather than destructive…

That's just not mercenary enough. Techies will build the stuff they're getting paid to build. And the bad guys pay more.

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